Warlock has a real blind spot for keepers first bettineli now Lumley
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TeaCider
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He should have done better with 2 of them against QPR.
But we've also conceded 2 own goals which I doubt are going to be included in expected goal stats.
viv_andersons_nana
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Maybe he looks nervous because the defence in front of him is all over the place? Why is this sort of debate around out ‘keepers only ever seen from one way? There isn’t much Lumley or any other goalkeeper can do about defenders not picking up, heading it out, blocking off the spaces as they should be. These things were happening last season and the season before.
I’m not saying Lumley is any kind of world beater but the team in front of him isn’t exactly solid, is it? I’d stick my next out and say you could probably put Lumley behind Karanka’s defence and we’d still get promoted. I think our issues lie elsewhere at the moment, TBH.
I’m not saying Lumley is any kind of world beater but the team in front of him isn’t exactly solid, is it? I’d stick my next out and say you could probably put Lumley behind Karanka’s defence and we’d still get promoted. I think our issues lie elsewhere at the moment, TBH.
jonny_greenings_sock
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Fair point Viv, defending is of course a unit.
With keepers you only notice them when they do something brilliant or make a mistake, it’s a cruel position like that. What I would say is that with a quality keeper like Randolph, they make key saves which over the course of a season total up to about 15 points. Such fine margins in games and Randolph was superb at the key stop out of nowhere in tight games, which all adds up.
An average keeper is fine; a great one will make a big difference and a poor one even more so. Look at the difference at City, Liverpool and Chelsea before and after they signed Ederson, Allison and Mendy - Liverpool in particular, they were so vulnerable with Mignolet in there, Kepa became a liability.
Lumley, like Betinelli, just doesn’t pass the eye test for me. I don’t see him doing anything well and a lot of things poorly. Really don’t think he’s Championship standard, he looks League One level to me. I know it’s not our biggest problem and it’s not like he’s making glaring errors but what does a shaky keeper cost you over a long season?
With keepers you only notice them when they do something brilliant or make a mistake, it’s a cruel position like that. What I would say is that with a quality keeper like Randolph, they make key saves which over the course of a season total up to about 15 points. Such fine margins in games and Randolph was superb at the key stop out of nowhere in tight games, which all adds up.
An average keeper is fine; a great one will make a big difference and a poor one even more so. Look at the difference at City, Liverpool and Chelsea before and after they signed Ederson, Allison and Mendy - Liverpool in particular, they were so vulnerable with Mignolet in there, Kepa became a liability.
Lumley, like Betinelli, just doesn’t pass the eye test for me. I don’t see him doing anything well and a lot of things poorly. Really don’t think he’s Championship standard, he looks League One level to me. I know it’s not our biggest problem and it’s not like he’s making glaring errors but what does a shaky keeper cost you over a long season?
TheYorkshireTerrier
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I saw him walking through the concourse at half time on Saturday, bet he’s gutted he’s having to watch from the stands when he’s probably shown he’s capable of playing first team football abroad. Don’t know why we didn’t let him go and keep one of Spence/Coulson if we are to believe they went to ‘balance the books’.
viv_andersons_nana
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I don't disagree with anything you've said to be honest. What I would say about Bettinelli was that he seemed to be perfectly adequate until January when the direction of the team seemed to change and the manager tried to open us up. It exposed him and the defence and we started conceding goals, which we weren't really doing before then. And then the injuries started and we became very shaky at the back, which Bettinelli contributed to of course but he was also exposed in a way that he hadn't been previously. I feel sort of the same with Lumley. We're missing key pieces in the team despite so much activity in the market. Put a proper b*stard of a centre-half in there and a proper b*stard in the No6 role in midfield and I think we're a different team completely. The backbone, or lack of it, is exposing players and costing us goals and points.
The goalkeeper situation isn't our priority IMO but you look at it and Warnock has brought four in in just over a year. Before that we had Pears, Stoyanovic and Mejias. None of them really ‘feel’ like a true No1 Boro 'keeper really. But time will tell and an organised defence would do wonders.
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Cosmonaut
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Had a bad feeling about Lumley when we signed him, God knows what but something in my gut just told me he isn't going to be the right choice to finally have a proper keeper to rely on. He reminds me of Jason Steele.
I really would like to see the no.2 Daniels get his chance. His reputation seemed to be great when I was reading about him after he signed and he sounds a capable solid option.
Yet I can't see Colin making a change and we will see more Lumley flaps and clangers throughout the season. Daniels will only get a chance if Lumley is injured. We also still have Stojanovic here, don't we??
As much as I have been happy we brought Warnock to the club, it all seems to be catching up now, the terrible signings he's made (bar Watmore, who is looking subdued so far this season, a real shame for a lad who scored and assisted as many he did last season when he only came in halfway through, I had massive hopes for him for this campaign. I have a feeling we won't be seeing much from him.)
Starting to worry we've signed too many players Warnock isn't going to connect with or rather isn't thus far.
I thank Warnock for saving us from relegation and a decent go last season, but with the squad we've got now ... I wish a more suited man was in charge. We look garbage, and quite surprised to be honest for all the hard training they seemed to do pre-season, the spirit seemed great.
A goalie flap costing us the next game, things are gonna get ugly!
The thread is about Lumley though so sorry I went off on a tangent moaning about NW and his players.
But yeah, Lumley is **** and is going to cost us so much this season. I'd get Daniels in for a go ASAP
I really would like to see the no.2 Daniels get his chance. His reputation seemed to be great when I was reading about him after he signed and he sounds a capable solid option.
Yet I can't see Colin making a change and we will see more Lumley flaps and clangers throughout the season. Daniels will only get a chance if Lumley is injured. We also still have Stojanovic here, don't we??
As much as I have been happy we brought Warnock to the club, it all seems to be catching up now, the terrible signings he's made (bar Watmore, who is looking subdued so far this season, a real shame for a lad who scored and assisted as many he did last season when he only came in halfway through, I had massive hopes for him for this campaign. I have a feeling we won't be seeing much from him.)
Starting to worry we've signed too many players Warnock isn't going to connect with or rather isn't thus far.
I thank Warnock for saving us from relegation and a decent go last season, but with the squad we've got now ... I wish a more suited man was in charge. We look garbage, and quite surprised to be honest for all the hard training they seemed to do pre-season, the spirit seemed great.
A goalie flap costing us the next game, things are gonna get ugly!
The thread is about Lumley though so sorry I went off on a tangent moaning about NW and his players.
But yeah, Lumley is **** and is going to cost us so much this season. I'd get Daniels in for a go ASAP
TeessideCleveland
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He was sat along from me in the first half in Saturday. Didn't see him in the second, but was told David Wheater was sat there
TeessideCleveland
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Colin Warnek
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GK is the most important position on the pitch. Put Randolph in there we would be twice the team.
S7DiscoDown
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You get what you pay for. Just remember Randolph cost 5mil and was on over 30k a week.
I don't think Lumley is the 'problem'.
He's made a couple of howlers but also had a couple of MOTM performances. I think he's a pretty decent shot stopper and an improvement on last year.
We didn't score enough and concede too many. It's a pretty damming situation. We seem to have throw all the money at the forward end of the pitch. We have let 3 fullbacks go out on loan (also lost Johnson in the summer). So we are now short.
I'm not convinced that anyone we've brought in is any better than Johnson in terms of final ball. He also did a decent job at left wingback. It's the formation we are playing yet the fullbacks aren't attacking enough.
Interestingly enough (or not) Daniels played for the U23s yesterday. So maybe he will come in? No doubt be hammered on here next week for his performance at Reading
I don't think Lumley is the 'problem'.
He's made a couple of howlers but also had a couple of MOTM performances. I think he's a pretty decent shot stopper and an improvement on last year.
We didn't score enough and concede too many. It's a pretty damming situation. We seem to have throw all the money at the forward end of the pitch. We have let 3 fullbacks go out on loan (also lost Johnson in the summer). So we are now short.
I'm not convinced that anyone we've brought in is any better than Johnson in terms of final ball. He also did a decent job at left wingback. It's the formation we are playing yet the fullbacks aren't attacking enough.
Interestingly enough (or not) Daniels played for the U23s yesterday. So maybe he will come in? No doubt be hammered on here next week for his performance at Reading