Violence in Leicester

The Ruthsayer said:
Zain, I think the lack of integration with the indigenous population restricts opportunity for the minority group. This is the case for both ethnic and religious (often both) minorities. This does engender both alienation and frustration, which I believe will manifest itself in violent protest; hence how this point directly relates to Leicester.
We have sufficient empirical data through the National Census to assess how successful certain ethnic groups have been in re-locating to middle-class housing and also in filling the traditional professional roles or establishing successful businesses.
The Jewish community is a special case. Lacking a homeland until 1948, and often the victims of religious persecution I'm guessing that they were highly adept at being self-sufficient. And finally, I hope I did not give the impression that the Muslims were any less 'British' than their Hindu/Jain/Sikh counterparts; that was certainly not my intention.
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I believe that the UK provides ample opportunity to people from all walks of life regardless of whether their respective communities have 'integrated' or not. You only have to look into how diverse workforces are now whether that be the NHS, politics or large corporations. don't think it's the case that any group is 'alienated' and as a result manifesting itself through violent protest as you say.

Again your point on data from the National Census is not relevant, absolutely zilch to do with the issues at hand. As you've alluded to yourself, the issue is right-wing Hindu ideology finding its way onto our shores, and the reactionary protests by Muslims. By the way, there's been several police statements confirming that the protests have been peaceful.

Because certain groups are 'self-sufficient' they're exempt from integrating with the rest of society? I'm guessing alienation, hence frustration, leading to violence isn't part of their psyche, but it is in others?
 
I lived in this area in the mid-80s.
At the time there was a plot to assassinate Rajiv Gandhi, and at least one of the Sikh suspects lived on the same road as me, Green Lane Road, where this trouble is taking place.
 
Fatsuma said:
I lived in this area in the mid-80s.
At the time there was a plot to assassinate Rajiv Gandhi, and at least one of the Sikh suspects lived on the same road as me, Green Lane Road, where this trouble is taking place
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North Evington Working Mens Club?
 
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Zain said:
I believe that the UK provides ample opportunity to people from all walks of life regardless of whether their respective communities have 'integrated' or not. You only have to look into how diverse workforces are now whether that be the NHS, politics or large corporations. don't think it's the case that any group is 'alienated' and as a result manifesting itself through violent protest as you say.

Again your point on data from the National Census is not relevant, absolutely zilch to do with the issues at hand. As you've alluded to yourself, the issue is right-wing Hindu ideology finding its way onto our shores, and the reactionary protests by Muslims. By the way, there's been several police statements confirming that the protests have been peaceful.

Because certain groups are 'self-sufficient' they're exempt from integrating with the rest of society? I'm guessing alienation, hence frustration, leading to violence isn't part of their psyche, but it is in others?
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Dealing with your first paragraph. The UK is rightly lauded for its racial integration policies. I’ve posted links before to an OECD study that found the UK the most tolerant. However, in my experience there is still a certain element that is not able to access the opportunities and benefits to which they are entitled. My experience is that of a voluntary teacher of basic literacy and numeracy in deprived areas of Leicester, Birmingham and London. These were almost exclusively Muslim. I did this for over 20 years, but haven’t in the last ten, hence my previous comment. I think I was wrong in my earlier belief that it played a significant role in Leicester. My error. The Muslim community has exercised commendable restraint.
I don’t agree with the conclusion you have drawn in your final paragraph. I certainly did not suggest or imply that.
 
I wish Gary Lineker was as well informed about Middlesbrough/Teesside as some of you good Folk from God's Country are about Leicester. :)
 
Religious beliefs have been for centuries the reason for wars, persecutions and just plan hatred for those who have alternate views of displaying their faith. The unfortunate situation to come out of how we choose to select and support our religious following often is triggered by political views and bias and therefore the situation gets exacerbated by leaders and activists who often only want to fuel an "us against them" mentality. Meanwhile the western democracies use terms like inclusivity to show what living in a western democracy really means but we know all the while that certain factions ignore this term and preach otherwise.
 
Just been talking to my Indian friend from Leicester. His take is the trouble is being stirred by young Hindu’s being ‘drafted in’ from outside.
There is a potential flashpoint that is worrying them.
India play Pakistan in the T20 and the following day is the start of Diwal.
Pretty sure all will want reassurance before then.
 
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