Villa bid for Morgan Rogers

Lots of talk here about him throwing a strop, having his head turned, being a troublemaker if we refuse the move.

I think that’s unfair.

The lad’s attitude has been spot on since he joined and he’s done absolutely nothing to make us suspect he’d act like that.

Agree completely. Even if the reports that he's keen to go are true, and they could be made up anyway, it doesn't mean he will behave in an unprofessional manner if we reject bids for him.
Seems a grounded lad, with a good attitude. I think either Villa pay us more than what he's worth, or he'll stay and be fine.
 
Players peak in there late 20’s
What I meant were vast improvements in players don't really happen past 23 in most cases. Everybody can refuse to believe it, but this is the analysis Brentford found as part of their successful recruitment model which took the absolute **** out of the english football leaue pyramid. Eg if a player isnt world class at 24 they are highly unlikely to be world class at 29. There is small gradual improvement to peak correct, usually. I was on about transformation as a player and vast gains. Rogers isn't likely to improve vastly as a footballer at this point so we can sell with confidence as he is near his football ability ceiling.
 
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You're not being realistic, your post was all assumptions...

You mean like every other post on here that's just assuming things. Nobody here know for sure so we're all speculating and giving our opinion on what we think might be the go, including you. Or are your assumptions not baseless too as you really don't now for sure what's happening? Providing balance? It's a person's opinion they do not need to balance it with somebody else's view. Bizarre expecting anybody to do so really
If those views are perceived by some to be negative then so be it, counter with your positivity.
I'm not the one posting baseless nonsense. The facts are he's under contract so we are under no obligation to release him from that for less than we see as adequate compensation, if he threw a strop then yes, that value may be lowered, but the lad has shown absolutely no sign of being that kind of character, quite the opposite really. That's a very different 'opinion' to what the previous poster wrote, so lets stop with the false equivalences.....I'm not surprised this was the response.

They are negative by the way, not one of those views gave any balance to the situation, it was we will get stuffed over, we are powerless, we will be the losers in this.
 
The bit about him pushing for the move comes from the reports saying he was keen on it. Obviously doesn't mean he would kick off if it doesn't happen but it's not an entirely unfounded topic of conversation given the press statements.

I wonder if this was discussed around the Azaz deal and we maybe told Rogers we'd let him go if we had a replacement, hence the Diallo offer.
 
The bit about him pushing for the move comes from the reports saying he was keen on it. Obviously doesn't mean he would kick off if it doesn't happen but it's not an entirely unfounded topic of conversation given the press statements.

I wonder if this was discussed around the Azaz deal and we maybe told Rogers we'd let him go if we had a replacement, hence the Diallo offer.
Maybe, or maybe the reporter is using a bit of poetic license rather than reporting facts, maybe this is the agent trying to unsettle things, who knows, I don't think an uncorroborated throw away comment in the press is proof of much, I'm not naive enough to think this is an absolute no go-er.....but it is at this reported 4m, it's simply not worth it from our perspective, even if he has his heart set on it, which seems pretty unlikely.
 
Agree completely. Even if the reports that he's keen to go are true, and they could be made up anyway, it doesn't mean he will behave in an unprofessional manner if we reject bids for him.
Seems a grounded lad, with a good attitude. I think either Villa pay us more than what he's worth, or he'll stay and be fine.
hes an intelligent articulate guy far brighter than most footballers lets hope he realises he can develop best under carrick. He has time on his hands to become a Premier league player
 
Not yet Colin , he is only 21 year old , and Watkins was very raw early days . Rogers will play for England before he is 25 .
I would say there is an at best 1% chance of him ever playing for England. He would have to improve massively, really massively, to be anywhere near. The players in the sort of position he plays are way beyond him. I like him and think he has some talent but he's never struck me as a player that is playing below his level. I am quite frankly shocked that Villa want him but I'd be far more shocked that he would get anywhere near an international call. He's never even played for the U21s and he's going to be too old for that soon.
 
Definitely agree at this point hackney more valuable. Proven it for longer and crucial given our midfield situation.


I just think you have to pick and choose who to hold out on, who are those big players and who to sell.

If we are trying this model, then you'd hold rogers based on potential.and only sell him, hackney, van den berg fpr silly money.

You'd seek to sell crooks, silvers, Jones, send back greenwood, sell someone like fry who's older before someone who's just catching big clubs attention and just starting regular football to side that ten mil a year.


Obviously we can't pick and choose who we sell, but we're bringing in ayling, azaz.

If ffp so bad and we have to sell one a year why bring in those?


Still seem to be adding players so I do wonder whether it's a necessity.


I just think there's clearly hackney, Rogers, van dem berg so far who have the high ceiling. As a club I think we have to be strong on certain players. Others you think, 10 mil a 26? Yr old fry, yer potentially sell.

Obviously you need bids so it's not black and white.

I'd love to know the plan behind closed doors. Gibson's written off that debt, ffp looking better according to the accounts thread?


Do we NEED to sell? Or can we hold out and play the game and make big money?

Your never getting 10 million for fry other than from maybe a relegated prem team coming down.

Selling 4 players to keep one maybe investment sounds logical .. until you hit an injury crisis like this year .
We were utter dog droppings until Jones crooks Mcgree and coburn started the beginning Oct/Nov; the moneyball front four couldn't keep the ball from coming back.
You HAVE to have a champ squad , which has to include players who've been at this level before.

Selling Jones , who's the only consistently fit right sided player in the squad for 5 mill would be stupider than selling MR for ten
 
Dont want him to go but if Villa are prepared to pay £10m plus for him it would be good business and give us finds to buy a decent striker.
 
If all that's true, why do you think Villa one of the most successful clubs of the last few years, with an extremely successful transfer policy, and one of the most respected managers in the world have made him their number one transfer priority?
Could it be that they're better at judging footballers than you?
I make my own judgement in when ive seen both ramsey and Rodgers play alot of those big teams make mistakes when buying young players just we don't here about it
 
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I dont see how its in our best interest to sell him and loan him back for the rest of the season. Surely we would be better keeping him and selling him in the summer. Its almost certain his development will continue and his market value increase.
Completely agree, there would be no point in selling him now and loaning him back, why not let us have the player with the steadily increasing potential and value, it would be a total con to do that.
 
If and it's a big if, the opening offer was £4m it isn't going to happen. Says to me they think they can pick up a player of high potential on the cheap and milk it for an easy, tidy profit further down the line.

It's a different situation to Spence (bad attitude, already burnt his bridges) and Tav (finished product who we'd verbally agreed could leave for the right price).

I think the precedent point is a good one. If we roll over now and look desperate to accept any scraps offered from the premier league table, all we'll receive in the future will be derisory offers for any players looking promising. It significantly weakens future negotiating positions.

Similar to this nonsense about "if he wants to go we'll have to sell him". Dead easy signing a player from boro, just get in the players ear and make sure they tell the club they fancy the move.

We're not going to stand in a players way, if a good offer comes in, but equally we can't be seen to be pushovers. For all the games they play agents will understand this. Rogers isn't daft, he'll understand it too.

Flattering to be wanted by Villa for sure. But if a top 6 prem side won't bid more than £15m for you, they're almost certainly not buying you to play you.

It'll be a significant fee or he won't be going anywhere. I think Villa are taking the **** to be honest. Can see it rubbing Gibson up the wrong way too, trying to unsettle a player they don't actually seem that serious/bothered about signing in the hope of grabbing a bargain.
 
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