Variant of concern in South Africa

This was unfortunately always going to happen - Africa was an obvious place that variants would emerge from

I guess we all hoped that we had more time for vaccines to roll out across the continent, but looks like that hasn't happened
 
Yes I get them free ☺

I take the decision not to take them because when I do I become ill and spend the whole winter period with every bug going.

Yet when I don't take it im usually far healthier.

So yeah, that's my reasoning. I hope that meets with your standards.
It's not about meeting with standards it's just about applying logic and common sense. Something you're not in this instance. You refuse a flu jab because you believe it give you other illnesses.

it doesn't. So you're basing your entire approach on a false assumption. And, if you get the flu, you'll know about it. Maybe than you'll regret your ill thought out stance.
 
It's not about meeting with standards it's just about applying logic and common sense. Something you're not in this instance. You refuse a flu jab because you believe it give you other illnesses.

it doesn't. So you're basing your entire approach on a false assumption. And, if you get the flu, you'll know about it. Maybe than you'll regret your ill thought out stance.

Well I had it a number of years.. Became ill even ending up in hospital.

I stopped then and was fine.

I then took it again 2 years ago and again ill catching every bug around.

So yeah, I think im more than capable of making my own decision on this.

I had the flu, having had the jab so it didn't really help.

Thanks for your concern though.
 
Well I had it a number of years.. Became ill even ending up in hospital.

I stopped then and was fine.

I then took it again 2 years ago and again ill catching every bug around.

So yeah, I think im more than capable of making my own decision on this.

I had the flu, having had the jab so it didn't really help.

Thanks for your concern though.
Again the flu jab doesn't cause you to get other illnesses. You're applying a post hoc fallacy to the two events.
 
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There is a difference between stops transmission, and completely stops transmission

edit: didn't realise that image was so big :ROFLMAO:
Thats a great graph to support the figures around the younger being the primary infected group. One thing I don' like about it is the slight uptick in the over 80's who were the first to get boosters.

It could suggest that either the 3rd jab doesn't have the longevity we hoped for, or that in the over 80's they are so immuno-compromised by that age that they will always be at risk.

The 60-79 age group is still falling which is very good news.

very good graph and it deserves to be that big.
 
Well I had it a number of years.. Became ill even ending up in hospital.

I stopped then and was fine.

I then took it again 2 years ago and again ill catching every bug around.

So yeah, I think im more than capable of making my own decision on this.

I had the flu, having had the jab so it didn't really help.

Thanks for your concern though.
Likely false coincidence, unless you're one of the extreme minority who gets really ill from flu jabs?

Most people who get the Flu jab will still get ill, as they're more susceptible to getting ill, that's just what happens when immune systems get worse.

The flu jab is a predictor of what flu strains are likely to be in circulation, or come into circulation in winter, it might predict 1/10, 5/10 or 10/10, you could be getting ill from the ones it missed, and it could have stopped you getting seriously ill from the ones it did not.

One thing it will likely not do, is make you more ill from the flu vaccine, than the strain is protecting from.

From the sounds of the problems you've already had, I expect a doctor would be advising you to take it more than anyone, speak to your GP.
 
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Again the flu jab doesn't cause you to get other illnesses. You're applying a post hoc fallacy to the two events.
I don't think you're quite understanding it... I personally have noticed a direct correlation between the two... And therefore I do what is best for me.

Is that OK with you or should I get the jab to keep someone I don't know on a message board happy?
 
One thing I don' like about it is the slight uptick in the over 80's who were the first to get boosters.

It could suggest that either the 3rd jab doesn't have the longevity we hoped for, or that in the over 80's they are so immuno-compromised by that age that they will always be at risk.

The 60-79 age group is still falling which is very good news.

very good graph and it deserves to be that big.
Be careful, that's only one days data, average that line out and it is way down, and don't forget over the last week or two cases in England have been growing, whilst >80's have been going down. The proportion of over 80's cases, out of all cases is falling off a cliff (y)

Compare it to hospitalisations, only one way that is going, unless our cases across the board skyrocket.

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Also, don't forget, over 80's and especially over 85's likely didn't get the same level of vaccine coverage, as those 70-85, for a few reasons. Sometimes the rates also get messed up as the amount of over 85's is a low number, and ONS don't know how many over 85's we have. We had 102% of over 85's vaccinated at one point, which is impossible of course.

There's zero sign of vaccine boosters waning to a noticeable degree at the minute, and everything is pointing to protection being longer than the second jab.

You're right they will always be at the highest risk though, a triple jabbed 85+ is still much more risk than a double jabbed 50 year old, and even more risk than a 30 year old with no jabs.
 
I don't think you're quite understanding it... I personally have noticed a direct correlation between the two... And therefore I do what is best for me.

Is that OK with you or should I get the jab to keep someone I don't know on a message board happy?
As Andy says. It's extremely rare to have such a reaction from the flu jab. It's more likely you're just seeing an event occur after a other event and seeing a false causality.

If you ARE correct thenyou should definitely see the doctor about it because it's not a normal thing
 
As Andy says. It's extremely rare to have such a reaction from the flu jab. It's more likely you're just seeing an event occur after a other event and seeing a false causality.

If you ARE correct thenyou should definitely see the doctor about it because it's not a normal thing
Just because it's rare doesn't mean it hasn't happened to him. My dad was also poorly for a few days a few years ago after having the flu jab. Could have been coincidence? Possibly. But also my kids have been ropey for a day or two after having the nasal flu jab so it does happen.

Back on topic, Chise has the voice of reason yet again. Ignore the TV headlines.

 
Just because it's rare doesn't mean it hasn't happened to him. My dad was also poorly for a few days a few years ago after having the flu jab. Could have been coincidence? Possibly. But also my kids have been ropey for a day or two after having the nasal flu jab so it does happen.

Back on topic, Chise has the voice of reason yet again. Ignore the TV headlines.

Ah you're thinking of different things Randy. The flu job does drain your energy for a day or too. Chris thinks it put him in hospital after he got ill with something else. Entirely different
 
I don't think you're quite understanding it... I personally have noticed a direct correlation between the two... And therefore I do what is best for me.

Is that OK with you or should I get the jab to keep someone I don't know on a message board happy?
it takes a lot more data than one persons personal experienced and perceived correlation, to be an actual correlation.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Marriage does not cause people to fall out of a fishing boat:

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Nicholas Cage movies don't cause people to drown

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....and we don't solve global warming by having more pirates
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Just because it's rare doesn't mean it hasn't happened to him. My dad was also poorly for a few days a few years ago after having the flu jab. Could have been coincidence? Possibly. But also my kids have been ropey for a day or two after having the nasal flu jab so it does happen.

Back on topic, Chise has the voice of reason yet again. Ignore the TV headlines.

Old people getting ill in flu season isn't rare though, it's a practical certainty every couple of years, as is that the flu jab does a hell of a lot less harm than good.

There's simpler correlations to find than attributing flu jab with extreme illness.

I'm not on about minor side effects mind, as these are minor of course, but if someone is getting really ill from a flu jab, then the chances are the live virus will pose far more risk or they're at high risk anyway. Had he had one of the flu strains he wasn't protected from, he could have been 10x worse.

The only people advising against getting the flu jab should be GP's/ Doctors etc, but likely only when they know what is and what isn't causing the problems, and what problems are being prevented. An unrealised problem (not getting flu), is better than the realised problem (getting the Flu), and not being around next year to mention it.

I would advise backing up someone's anti flu jab stance, especially if they have a history of illness, just direct them to a GP and let them then decide between them.

Good shout on Chise, I mentioned people need to calm down earlier, and they really do, for now. I read Chise's stuff yesterday/ last night along with many others, seems like the ones who have been advocating vaccines and safety are the ones who are least concerned, especially for now, none of them seem to be having a melt down.

Papers/TV just taking advantage of a story, always do, always will.
 
The EU is calling on member states to halt travel to and from nations where the new highly-mutated Covid variant has been found...

...drums fingers...
 
it takes a lot more data than one persons personal experienced and perceived correlation, to be an actual correlation.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Marriage does not cause people to fall out of a fishing boat:

Nicholas Cage movies don't cause people to drown


....and we don't solve global warming by having more pirates

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: 👏 👏


Did you see the one about people who watched the 1984 Ghostbusters movie V those who watched the 2021 Ghostbusters movie? Turns out if you watched the 1984 one, you have more chance of dying from covid. Or it's just Simpsons Paradox.

Read this twitter thread, it's brilliant.

 
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