VAR has reached a new low

[The vomiting vicar]

Mahrez has just scored a fantastic goal and it was ruled out because in the build up it struck a city player on the arm who was on the ground

 

[boromike85]

It's not VAR's fault. It's just a terrible rule. You can get rid of that rule and keep var, and I think they will. I think everyone agrees it is an awful rule so I can't see it sticking too long. It just doesn't make sense to rule goals out for something that isn't a handball.

I think they wanted to put a rule in to say the last touch can't be with a hand but it was the Llorente goal last season they used as the example where it hit his hand and went in off his hip so they had to say at any point if it hits the hand it shouldn't be allowed. I don't think they thought about how many times the ball does touch hands accidentally.

This is the reason that there has to be intent for handball to be a foul, otherwise we would have a foul for handball every couple of minutes.

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

Another one in the spurs game.
They need to reset football back to around 2010 All the new rules they've been coming up with are ****, and they've killed the world cup and euros by letting the drabs in.

 

[Pak_Doo_Ik]

The spurs one is even weirder, moura gets fouled, the ref plays advantage, Kane scores then VAR has a look, decides moura uses his hand, rules out the goal and Spurs don't get a free kick for the original foul the created the hand ball.

 

[kuepper]

Just get rid, the delay interrupting the game is terrible and dump the stupid drinks break while they're on

 

[360]

The big problem for me is that it is only supposed to be used if a clear and obvious mistake has been made by the officials.

The disallowed West Ham goal the other night took three and a half minutes to review. If it takes that long, it isn't a clear and obvious error. If an error isn't immediately apparent after the first viewing, the officials' on-field decision should stand.

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

They will just use the old offside thing with that one. It either hits his hand or it doesn't.

 

[Liamo]

It's not VAR's fault. It's just a terrible rule. You can get rid of that rule and keep var, and I think they will. I think everyone agrees it is an awful rule so I can't see it sticking too long. It just doesn't make sense to rule goals out for something that isn't a handball.

That part of Law 12 has already been changed in the 2020/21 edition of the laws - unfortunately we're still using the 2019/20 version which doesn't specify how long before the goal, the handling must occur for it to be disallowed.

The new law says it's only an offence if a player:

after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately:
- scores in the opponents’ goal
- creates a goal-scoring opportunity

The explanation given by the IFAB in the 2020/21 law changes document, says this clarifies that:

if an attacking player accidentally touches the ball with their hand/arm and the ball then goes to another attacking player and the attacking team immediately scores, this is a handball offence;

The change was introduced precisely because of the criticism that some goals were being disallowed when the accidental touch occurred too far back in the build up before the goal.

 

[Cardiffdaffs]

Wish we had it last night by the way. We might have won the game.

With reference to the Sheff United Spurs incident I would say your culprit is not so much the relayer of the info but the law Interpretation change on handball itself. We should be returning to intentional hand ball not accidental.

lalso the West Ham offside the night before. A players head top being called offside while he was on the ground. Ridiculous interpretation.

 

[boromike85]

That part of Law 12 has already been changed in the 2020/21 edition of the laws - unfortunately we're still using the 2019/20 version which doesn't specify how long before the goal, the handling must occur for it to be disallowed.

The new law says it's only an offence if a player:


The explanation given by the IFAB in the 2020/21 law changes document, says this clarifies that:


The change was introduced precisely because of the criticism that some goals were being disallowed when the accidental touch occurred too far back in the build up before the goal.

It's still not good enough. Accidentally brushing the ball with an arm shouldn't result in a goal being disallowed ever. We have VAR, it is easy enough to work out whether handball is intentional or not. We don't need the blanket wiping out of goals for something that wouldn't be a foul if a goal isn't scored or if a defender does the same thing. It's an awful rule introduced to combat something that happens so infrequently it isn't worth correcting.

Under those new rules would Kane's goal have stood? It hits Moura's hand and then Kane gets the ball and scores? Does that count as immediately creating a goal scoring opportunity?

 

[Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret]

Yes the new rule would still not have allowed Kanes goal. Ref should have given a free kick to spurs though surely. He tried to play an advantage, an advantage was not gained because the ball hit the players hand that was fouled. The problem isn't with the timing it's with the intent being removed.

And VAR is very much to blame for this. It's very nature is to destroy and take away goals for whatever reason they can see. If there was no VAR review they wouldn't even pick up the handballs.

Don't understand what was wrong with the west ham offside given the interpretation of the rules told to follow. A part of his body he could use to score a goal was offside, and he was very definitely interfering with play.

We are seeing a lot of **** new rules being brought in. When a person takes a job they feel a need to make changes. At IFAB you aren't going to have a bunch of people saying do nothing it's good enough as it is. This is why we have such complicated microwaves. All we need is for a timer and for them to ding. But when a new fella gets a job designing microwaves he won't do nothing, he'll be adding the capacity to weight the chicken your cooking and deduce how long to cook it for.

All you need is a person trying to show they are valuable in their job and add value, and a bunch of people who loudly complain and are able to find a very receptive audience for their self interested foolishness.

 

[Jonny Ingbar]

I think my interest in football is probably at an all time low; Boro are struggling and I cant see this changing anytime soon, the lockdown has made me look at priorities differently and then I learn today that a player has agreed a contract for nearly £400k p/w.

The cheating, the hype, the sense of privilege and over exposure have all contributed, I just feel tired of it.