Vaping

Laughing said:
NHS england believe so as it is an easy pathway to stop smoking traditional cigarettes. In any event, I didn't call it a benefit. I quoted a body who, presumably, know what they are talking about.
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It may be a benefit when compared to smoking, but it essentially means it just won’t kill you as quickly as a cigarette. The only real health benefit would be to stop completely
 
JM14 said:
It may be a benefit when compared to smoking, but it essentially means it just won’t kill you as quickly as a cigarette. The only real health benefit would be to stop completely
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Not really a very accurate analysis.

But, let me just repeat from what you quoted, I am not saying it's a benefit NHS England are.
 
But is it worse than smoking? Because people do it more often, and its flavoured, it probably doesnt feel as bad as cigareetes, but the long term effects might be so damaging.


My housemate is working from home today because she feels unwell, coughing her guts up while still vaping. She vapes constantly in the house, and she ALWAYS has a cough.
 
GibbosEmpire said:
But is it worse than smoking? Because people do it more often, and its flavoured, it probably doesnt feel as bad as cigareetes, but the long term effects might be so damaging.


My housemate is working from home today because she feels unwell, coughing her guts up while still vaping. She vapes constantly in the house, and she ALWAYS has a cough.
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No it isn't and for anyone who is interested there is plenty of evidence. There have been 4 deaths in the UK where vaping was considered a possible factor, though the link is tenuous.

In the same period (since 2010) there have been more deaths through the misuse of butter knives.

www.gov.uk

Vaping in England: 2020 evidence update summary

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
I understand why people assume that vaping is bad for you. Lots of lies were peddled when evidence emerged that smoking was killing people. However, there isn't much in UK vapes that can damage health assuming well developed lungs. If you factor in the benefits of quitting cigarettes in favour of vapes, the benefits are clear, not just to the individual but for society in a wider context with less reliance on the NHS and less risk of secondary smoking.

What does surprise me is people stating as fact, that which isn't.

There is an issue with disposable vapes being aimed at younger people. Legislate for that and if it bothers the board, which it should, write to your MP, start a petition to have it debated in parliament.
 
BobUpnDown said:
Info in the other links & what the youth think about it too.. direct from their mouths.
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I’m not disputing that young people prefer the fruity flavours or that they see ads as being targeted at the younger market. I’m saying the vast majority of vapers in all age groups prefer them too and the ads are targeted at them all.
 
I've been vaping for a good while now, and I think it's a lot better than smoking cigarettes. Vaping seems healthier because you don't get all those harmful chemicals you find in cigarettes. But the way your coworker was coughing might be because she vaped too much or the nicotine was too strong.

I use Death Row Vapes, and they're perfect. They have lots of different flavours, which I like. My favourite is Blue Razz Lemonade – it tastes great. Each vape lasts about 7000 puffs, so I don't need to refill it constantly. This is handy. I also don't feel as addicted to it as I did with cigarettes, maybe because I can choose how much nicotine I want.
 
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Quicksilvera said:
Are you comparing smoking cigarettes to being a heroin addict?
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It’s a comparison that is worth making. Smoking tobacco kills on average in excess of 1% of its regular users every year. No other form of drug taking, legal or illegal, beats it. Depending on how you count the deaths and the regular users, the figure for heroin is about 2 to 5 in 1000. For alcohol, about 1 to 2. Nothing else is on the radar.

This analogy doesn’t necessarily help support Jedi’s prejudice since it emphasises quite how catastrophically dangerous vaping would need to be even to come close to the danger of smoking tobacco. it would need to be worse than taking smack for a start and there is not the remotest possibility that it is. That is why the NHS thinks it is probably the biggest single public health benefit since clean sanitation.

Obviously, doing neither is better still.
 
The huge majority of people I see vaping are impressionable teens - people who’ve never been addicted to cigarettes. I had to collar a young lad on the train openly vaping in the carriage only last week. Whether or not they’re better than cigarettes is one point, the more important point imo is how we stop people ‘taking up vaping’ from a nonsmoker history.
 
dorivasmiddlefinger said:
The huge majority of people I see vaping are impressionable teens - people who’ve never been addicted to cigarettes. I had to collar a young lad on the train openly vaping in the carriage only last week. Whether or not they’re better than cigarettes is one point, the more important point imo is how we stop people ‘taking up vaping’ from a nonsmoker history.
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I quoted from a study on a previous thread. In almost all cohorts the vast majority of people who vaped had previously smoked. The one cohort where this was not the case was under 14's which is a worry.

It needs to be legislated much better, we manage with alcohol so we could manage with vape products. Interestingly enough whilst it is illegal to sell vape products to under 18's, it is not illegal to give them away, which e-cigarette brands do. 2.1 % of children who have tried vaping got their first one as a freebie.
 
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The World Health Organization (WHO) on Thursday urged governments to treat e-cigarettes similarly to tobacco and ban all flavours, threatening cigarette companies' bets on smoking alternatives.
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Someone was vaping in the middle of the north stand last night. I assume its banned inside the stadium? There was a massive ball of smoke that would appear every few minutes from one seat. The stewards would have had to be extremely poor sighted to have missed it. It was as if a fire had been lit. But it went on.

It would appear that rules are made and broken with no punishment so people just do what they want. I looked and thought to myself I feel sorry for the people sitting near that person is they didnt vape.
 
Mountain Climber said:
Someone was vaping in the middle of the north stand last night. I assume its banned inside the stadium? There was a massive ball of smoke that would appear every few minutes from one seat. The stewards would have had to be extremely poor sighted to have missed it. It was as if a fire had been lit. But it went on.

It would appear that rules are made and broken with no punishment so people just do what they want. I looked and thought to myself I feel sorry for the people sitting near that person is they didnt vape.
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That selfish **** actually had to choose to put the vape on steam train mode as well apparently.
 
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