Vaping

Laughing said:
There is so much nonsense in this post I wouldn't know where to start.

Let's try this. Any evidence that unregulated vape products are worse than cigarettes?

Any evidence that unregulated Vapes are the choice of young people?

What is the medical difference between the vegetable fats used in unregulated products?
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Fill your boots.. a few sites easily found with - authoritative info.



www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Youth say ads for flavored e-liquids are for them

E-cigarettes are the most popular tobacco product among adolescents and young adults (“AYA”) and are available in many flavors. The e-cigarette industry argues that flavors are not meant to appeal to youth, yet no study has asked youth ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

www.latimes.com

Fruity flavors lure teens into vaping longer and taking more puffs, study says

Teens who vape using fruity flavors are more likely to continue vaping, and to inhale more during each session.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
 
“Importers and manufacturers supplying therapeutic vapes will also have to comply with tighter government regulation concerning the flavours, nicotine levels, and packaging of their products. “


And

Experts have warned that not enough is known yet about the long-term impacts of vaping.

Research from Johns Hopkins University has linked the practice to chronic lung disease and asthma.

And in Australia, scientists who have studied the liquids used in vapes have warned that they contain "a suite of chemicals" known to impact lung health.
 
Expat Smoggie said:
Question for all Vapers would you Vape in front of a baby or young child, or people with obvious health issues, or anyone who extremely old? If not why?
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The answer is yes they would. They would vape anywhere, most selfish, arrogant, silly ***** to walk this earth.
One more relative or anyone who I know starts F***ing vaping in my lovely smelling house, I will shove that pussy stick down their F***ing throats.

I'm not a fan of vapes to be honest.
 
Jedi boro said:
But you wanted to quit smoking but are you wanting to quit vaping or is this now just the norm.

As vaping was supposed to be way to quit smoking an exit drug but it seems to have replaced it. With no exit strategy in mind.

Vapes should only be sold in chemist age restricted and by prescriptions and come in 2 flavours regular and mint end of like we see in other countries
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Totally agree Jebi boro things like vapes, tobacco, alcohol should only be sold in dedicated shops to stop underage selling.
The selling of alcohol is everywhere from corner shops, supermarkets to petrol stations. Must be so difficult if you’re recovering alcoholic!
Regarding going from smoking addiction to another way of gaining your nicotine it should be easier to stop. Anyway I’ll let know has planning to stop in the new year.
 
BobUpnDown said:
Fill your boots.. a few sites easily found with - authoritative info.



www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Youth say ads for flavored e-liquids are for them

E-cigarettes are the most popular tobacco product among adolescents and young adults (“AYA”) and are available in many flavors. The e-cigarette industry argues that flavors are not meant to appeal to youth, yet no study has asked youth ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

www.latimes.com

Fruity flavors lure teens into vaping longer and taking more puffs, study says

Teens who vape using fruity flavors are more likely to continue vaping, and to inhale more during each session.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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Young people preferring colourful fruity flavours doesn’t mean they’re targeted at them. They’re very popular with all vapers. I haven’t seen anyone with tobacco or even neutral flavour vapes for a long time.
 
Honestly being addicted to vaping is the last thing kids have to worry about. The environment is ****ed and they won't be able to afford anywhere to live. If you are that concerned about their health, quit driving, stop eating red meat and stop flying. And then vote for a party that helps renters rather than home owners.
 
SilentProf said:
Young people preferring colourful fruity flavours doesn’t mean they’re targeted at them. They’re very popular with all vapers. I haven’t seen anyone with tobacco or even neutral flavour vapes for a long time.
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Info in the other links & what the youth think about it too.. direct from their mouths.
 
Jedi boro said:
You honestly don’t think vapes are aimed at kids ??

Really

So bright pink vapes flavoured candy floss sugar plum unicorn flavour is aimed at adults then ?
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I didn't say any of those things, and have in fact argued extensively that they are in other threads. You din't call a disposable vape Dinner Lady if it aint aimed at kids.

However that isn't the point you were making. You said they are a ticking time bomb. They are not, there is no evidence that they cause much damage at all. Whilst that evidence might become available, there is none now.

Finally, evidence shows that the vast majority of people who vape have or do smoke. The only cohort that this becomes true in is under 13's. That is a concern, but that can be legislated for, but the government don't really want to.
 
GibbosEmpire said:
People vape more than they ever smoked though, you can do it pretty much anywhere
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Also not supported by evidence. Whilst you are free to vape in more locations than smoking studies show that people puff more consistently but less frequently on a vape than a cigarette. A cigarette has a natural start and finish, which a vape does not. When smokers are given disposable vapes, they last about 600 puffs, or 2 packs of 20 and last the same amount of time. It seems people vape more than smoke because it is more consistent.

In any event, I am not sure vaping does enough damage for frequency to be an issue.

The thread is full of opinion, and whilst I haven't for this conversation, I have looked extensively into vaping habits when discussing the subject on other threads. The opinions are, generally, not well founded.
 
1finny said:
The vape brands are out to make £££s - the way to do that is to increase demand.
The marketing trend of vapes - colour schemes, names etc is clearly marketed at young teens.

I’ve no idea whether they are good for you or not but the aim is to attract vapers as early as they can.
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They are certainly not good for you finny. The argument, I would guess is how bad they are for you. Right now there is no evidence they do much harm at all, assuming you have well developed lungs and aren't a young child.

There is some studies coming from the USA that suggest whilst the incidents of cancer amongs vapers is very low, they do, tend to develop the disease younger than smokers, which is a worry. However there were some reall problems with the study. The first was that it did not seperate previous smokers amongs the vapers. The second was that the numbers of incidents were very low and not entirely conclusive. The final issue is that the vape juice available in the USA is very different to that available in the UK. It will, you would think, trigger further research though, not a bad thing.

In short, more to be done.
 
BobUpnDown said:
Fill your boots.. a few sites easily found with - authoritative info.



www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Youth say ads for flavored e-liquids are for them

E-cigarettes are the most popular tobacco product among adolescents and young adults (“AYA”) and are available in many flavors. The e-cigarette industry argues that flavors are not meant to appeal to youth, yet no study has asked youth ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

www.latimes.com

Fruity flavors lure teens into vaping longer and taking more puffs, study says

Teens who vape using fruity flavors are more likely to continue vaping, and to inhale more during each session.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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Please keep going, I raised several points, you picked one, which, btw doesn't prove anything, it isn't even strong evidence that young people are attracted by unregulated vapes.

I am not arguing that colourful disposables with fruity flavours are aimed at children. That isn;t what you claimed. Those bright coloured vapes with kids flavours are regulated. I would assume you have some studies showing that there is a strong preference amongs young people to use unregulated (illegal vapes or flavours). You tell me there is plenty of evidence, show me some. Your links don't even address the point you are trying to make.
 
Jedi boro said:
“Importers and manufacturers supplying therapeutic vapes will also have to comply with tighter government regulation concerning the flavours, nicotine levels, and packaging of their products. “


And

Experts have warned that not enough is known yet about the long-term impacts of vaping.

Research from Johns Hopkins University has linked the practice to chronic lung disease and asthma.

And in Australia, scientists who have studied the liquids used in vapes have warned that they contain "a suite of chemicals" known to impact lung health.
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As I stated above, I would largely ignore studies form the USA, the fluid used is much stronger than that used in the UK and not well regulated. I also think you may be referring to some articles produced from JH in Baltimore that were opinion pieces rather than studies.

And all this doesn't change the fact that vaping is preferable to smoking, if your gripe is that these products are tagetted at children, rage about that, not vaping in general. For the vast majority of smokers who switch to vaping it will provide benefits as it is less harmful.

Not aimed at you personally Jedi, but the general consesus amongs non-smokers is to want vaping banned. It doesn't make sense and seems a little selfish to me.
 
If people want to vape that's fine but don't sit and do it next to people who don't want to. It stinks and it is not something I want to breathe in.
 
The big difference between vaping and smoking is that apparently you can vape wherever you want (as long as you do a sneaky exhale towards the floor rather than in the air).
 
I have no idea of how dangerous vaping is… but when I was in he chemical business nearly every chemical listed in the ingredients for a vape required me to wear a chemical suit and either a respirator or BA

Same can be said with fags too.
 
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