Valid Goal or Not?

Even in today's rules isn't he offside but would like to see a camera angle looking across the pitch.

It is clear he is offside near the halfway line and he understands that and indicates by putting his hands up. The lad who is onside picks the ball up and runs with it and the defenders try to get back at him. He crosses the ball for the goalscorer but does he ever get back onside would be my question.

Edit: It looks like the defender gets back at him but if you stop it at 51 seconds you can see he is still offside when the ball is played. I'm not sure if I am interpreting the rules wrong.
 
Offside for me. He raises his hands but then immediately turns and sprints towards the goal. He's clearly offside and has made no attempt to get onside, and gains an advantage from this in scoring the goal. The defender chasing back at him is still well behind him when he scores.
I wish they'd just simplify this and go back to it being offside regardless of where you are on the pitch. If it's about more attacking football why not just totally abolish offside?
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Edit: It looks like the defender gets back at him but if you stop it at 51 seconds you can see he is still offside when the ball is played. I'm not sure if I am interpreting the rules wrwrong.
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.Spot on for me.
I hate the new interpretation of the rule as I've always said someone will get injured chasing a player who is going to be flagged offside eventually. I believe this happened to John Stones in Man City's last game (although I haven't seen it).
 
This is from Newcastle v Brighton 2020 Neil Maupay scores a goal from the wingers ball in. I know it’s Newcastle but he is clearly gaining advantage being in that starting position before checking his run so not in front of the ball when it’s crossed into him.
 

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TeaCider said:
Doesn't play the ball or attempt to, gets back onside when he's eventually passed to.
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Genuine question. Is a player who was in an offside position deemed to be onside if he is behind the ball when the ball is played.

In my opinion, a defender never completely gets between him and the goal and he is only onside if the above is true.
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
Looks behind the ball to me when the cross is made so can’t be offside for that, the first one, under the new laws is fine as he makes no attempt to play the ball
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Why not? If he was offside originally and has never got back onside then as soon as the ball is played towards him he is "active" so being in front or behind the ball is irrelevant.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Genuine question. Is a player who was in an offside position deemed to be onside if he is behind the ball when the ball is played.

In my opinion, a defender never completely gets between him and the goal and he is only onside if the above is true.
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You're not offside anymore if you're behind the ball as the person is passing to you.
 
TeaCider said:
You're not offside anymore if you're behind the ball as the person is passing to you.
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I understand that but he was originally offside and at no point does a defender get between him and the goal to play him on. Is that overruled when the attacking player goes past him and plays the ball backward? Surely he's gained an advantage by initially being in the offside position.
 
RedAsABeetroot said:
Why not? If he was offside originally and has never got back onside then as soon as the ball is played towards him he is "active" so being in front or behind the ball is irrelevant.
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It’s all about phases nowadays, back in day he would have been flagged immediately for being offside (as Cloughie would say if he’s not interfering with play he shouldn’t be in the pitch). Once the onside player touches the ball and moves forward the game then enters a new phase (I think), hence he is onside as he is behind the ball when it is played.

Offside used to be so much simpler when you could show it on a dinner table using salt, pepper and vinegar.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I understand that but he was originally offside and at no point does a defender get between him and the goal to play him on. Is that overruled when the attacking player goes past him and plays the ball backward? Surely he's gained an advantage by initially being in the offside position.
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The defender doesn't have to play him on.

You can't be offside if you're behind the ball, that's what has put me him back onside.

He wasn't committing an offside offence to begin with, he was just in an offside position.
 
He's offside if the new Wenger rule wasn't implemented, as the strikers leg plays him onside as there's not a clear gap between the last defender and the striker
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I understand that but he was originally offside and at no point does a defender get between him and the goal to play him on. Is that overruled when the attacking player goes past him and plays the ball backward? Surely he's gained an advantage by initially being in the offside position.
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Direction of ball is immaterial (I think) as I believe you can be offside if the ball is played backwards, very rare it happens as you have to be in front of the ball to be offside. The only one I can think of is if a player slides off the pitch and then gets back on the pitch as the ball is pulled back.
 
TeaCider said:
The defender doesn't have to play him on.

You can't be offside if you're behind the ball.
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I understand that part and that was always the rule. The bit I am getting stuck with is he was offside originally and joined in the attack and his original position gives him an advantage over the defending players. Surely that deems him to be offside.

I think we are going to have a split camp on this one. ;)
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
It’s all about phases nowadays, back in day he would have been flagged immediately for being offside (as Cloughie would say if he’s not interfering with play he shouldn’t be in the pitch). Once the onside player touches the ball and moves forward the game then enters a new phase (I think), hence he is onside as he is behind the ball when it is played.

Offside used to be so much simpler when you could show it on a dinner table using salt, pepper and vinegar.
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How's that a different phase of play though? One through ball and then a cut back to him. As far as I can see he's never been onside before the ball is cut back. Does a phase of play consist of one pass only? It's all a continuous attack with no intervention by any defenders and so would appear to be the same phase to me.
 
I think the big give away here is the reaction of the defenders. Yeah the keeper makes a half hearted attempt to appeal for offside after the goal has been scored but no other defending player even appeals for offside. I always believe that the biggest give away as to whether a decision is correct or not is player reaction.
 
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