Ukraine - Time to encourage peace to stop the cost of living crisis?

MolteniArcore

MolteniArcore

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I think Russia should be pushed totally out of Ukraine and sanctioned for years but this morning when reading an article from the BBC about warnings from the WTO about food shipments from Ukraine needing to restart it got me thinking.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ukraine war: WTO boss warns of global food crisis

If food shipments do not restart from Ukraine, a severe food crisis will last for years, WTO boss says.
www.bbc.co.uk

War aside, one of the ways to end or significantly reduce the cost of living crisis, and ultimately high inflation in Europe, would be to get Ukraine exporting food etc and for Russia to go back to sending gas to Europe as before. The sanctions on Russia are impacting every country too.

I'm wondering when the politicians of the world will put aside their morals when pressure mounts from their citizens abut not being able to afford to eat?

Personally I think we need to keep up the pressure on Russia but I'm not so sure someone who can't feed their kids would have the same thoughts.

I wonder if the West will slowly start to reduce weapons to Ukraine to encourage them to give parts of the country to Russia to end this?
 
Brian Marwood said:
That really isn't solution at all as it sends the wrong message to other potential warmongers.
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I couldn't agree more. But you would imagine that self preservation for leaders would kick in at some point when every country is on it's **** and something would give?
 
Negotiating peace is the only option in my opinion.

If Ukraine surrender then the sanctions continue against Russia.
If we all continue to arm Ukraine, the sanctions continue, potentially for years.
Even if Russia just suddenly pull out and claim some sort of victory, the sanctions will continue.
 
The point raised is a good one. Whilst I am doing OK and can afford to feed my daughter and heat the house. If you can't, rightly or wrongly you will blame the government. At that point, you do wonder, how much of any governments stance is plain old rhetoric. Do governments always make the moral decisions? That is also rhetoric BTW.

I suspect our government quite like being able to blame all our woes on the Russians so I suspect johnson will push to keep supporting Ukraine and keep sanctions in place. It's a nice bit of misdirection for him.

None of this is to ignore the sufferring of the people in Ukraine, however they clearly want to continue to fight for their homeland, the rest of the world should support them in this endeavor, because it is the right thing to do.
 
We cannot afford to allow the Russians to win. It's that simple.

I think that their push in the Donbass is running out of steam. The new artillery pieces supplied by us and the US could be game changers. They out range the Russian artillery are more mobile and more accurate. As long as they are protected from drone or air strikes they could tip the balance. I maintain that Russia does not have the troops to hold a hostile Ukraine, they are losing and we need to hold steady through the summer. Once winter bites their poorly equipped troops will fail.
 
The government (and governments of all countries) can do things to help people without abandoning Ukraine. I can't see a positive outcome from conceding anything to Putin.

If people in the UK are struggling then the government can assist by reducing taxes or increasing benefits etc. They aren't doing that (enough) because of ideology.
 
I don't think it's the way to go, no.

But I sadly also can't see there being any way the war ends without Russia stealing territory right now.

It seems like the pressure is starting to tell on the frontlines and the countries that are actually actively supporting Ukraine have already ruled out intervention.

Russia is weaker than ever because of this war, but Putin's not going to willingly end it in a way that makes it look like they've lost.

Hopefully I'm wrong and Ukraine holds out and pushes the Russian invasion back beyond its borders, but it's not looking likely right now.
 
If Russia are allowed to go to business as before with new land , then they will simply wait for more years to build the army again and have another go at Ukraine . Russia cannot be allowed to move westwards . There is **** all point worrying about the economy if you have a country pushing for ww3 because it wants an empire again. The only way I see this being stopped is if Ukraine is allowed to enter nato. So for me, the outcome is either full removal of Russia from Donbas (crimea is more murky ) and arm Ukraine to the teeth to deter future aggression (this would mean Ukraine doesn’t join nato ) OR if Ukraine does cede some territory , they’re allowed to join nato . Russia must be deterred from trying this again

Europe needs to hurry the **** up and reduce its reliance on fossil fuels from Russia. If possible , transport infrastructure needs to be improved between Ukraine and Europe too , so they can export their grain that way instead.

They’re the outcomes I see being acceptable in my opinion. Russia will try again if they gain territory and there is no deterrence.

Something must also be done to help the Georgians deter further aggression too. I also do fear Putin will try it with Belarus too if they oust their Russian puppet leader and go for democracy. People must remember it’s not just Ukraine that is in danger .
 
MolteniArcore said:
I think Russia should be pushed totally out of Ukraine and sanctioned for years but this morning when reading an article from the BBC about warnings from the WTO about food shipments from Ukraine needing to restart it got me thinking.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ukraine war: WTO boss warns of global food crisis

If food shipments do not restart from Ukraine, a severe food crisis will last for years, WTO boss says.
www.bbc.co.uk

War aside, one of the ways to end or significantly reduce the cost of living crisis, and ultimately high inflation in Europe, would be to get Ukraine exporting food etc and for Russia to go back to sending gas to Europe as before. The sanctions on Russia are impacting every country too.

I'm wondering when the politicians of the world will put aside their morals when pressure mounts from their citizens abut not being able to afford to eat?

Personally I think we need to keep up the pressure on Russia but I'm not so sure someone who can't feed their kids would have the same thoughts.

I wonder if the West will slowly start to reduce weapons to Ukraine to encourage them to give parts of the country to Russia to end this?
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Then after a while Russia will take a bit more, then a bit more then move into another neighbouring country, because in the end we'll just give in

No, never give in to the evil Putin
 
Erimus74 said:
Then after a while Russia will take a bit more, then a bit more then move into another neighbouring country, because in the end we'll just give in

No, never give in to the evil Putin
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I don’t think people realise that the long term situation will get infinitely worse if Russia is allowed to just come back into the fold . Short term relief for long term pain. Yes, the economy may improve a bit, but the long term damage l is conflicts worldwide are more likely to happen that could escalate to a ww3 scenario

Russia will come back for Ukraine again. China may even feel emboldened to go for Taiwan if it feels the west isn’t serious. Imperialists worldwide will feel emboldened to make their moves

We made the appeasement mistake with hitler , we must not do it with Putin
 
To equate the inconvenience of cost of living in a country with our wealth and living standards to a war in a near country is scandalous. The only reason Africa whom buy most of the grain from both Russia and the Ukraine are not getting supplied is due to one countries actions.

I tell you what when they try to enter Finland we should worry about not getting a Xmas tree.

This thread is a shame to the site.
 
Pretty sure all western countries are pushing for peace anyway aren't they? No-one wants the war to continue.

The problem is no reasonable terms for peace are acceptable to Putin, so it's looking very unlikely (and reasonable is pretty much letting them **** off back to Russia without any more fighting).
 
homesickblues said:
Even when this is eventually over, surely we will not be engaging with Russia on anything, fuel, food, etc. they should be cast aside.
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I don't think those controlling the wealth and power in the UK will agree with you and they'll get that message through by owning the weapons of mass deception.
 
homesickblues said:
Even when this is eventually over, surely we will not be engaging with Russia on anything, fuel, food, etc. they should be cast aside.
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When this is all over it will be business as usual.
Some people will get very rich from this war and some will get shafted.

It's the way that it is and always has been.
 
selfishly and in the short term it would probably of been better for the world economy and most people if there had been quick Russian victory me included hoping to retire this year but worried now if I will be able to afford it ... but long term Russia cannot get away with this what they are doing is pure evil and the rest of the world need to show it is not acceptable and there are consequences even if it will make life harder for most of us
 
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