Tory`s win Hartlepool by 6940 votes.

Benjiboy said:
Some real bitterness on here today ......mostly from non Hartlepool people , they decided what they wanted , instead of slaughtering them , ask why labour are becoming increasingly irrelevant even in their old heartland. Sunderland council elections were shambolic for them too amongst other places.
When they lose the "working class" vote in areas like the NE its not just purely racists, gammons, brexit etc , loads of people see them now as a out of touch London cult & thats what they have to remedy .
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A lot of it is brexit gammons though, and people that think the EU and Corbyn are to blame for their failings/ poor situation they've been in since the recession, which has been 100% tory run.

But let's assume for one second that it isn't.....

Who sees labour as "soo out of touch" but the Tories more "in touch"? :unsure:
Labour hasn't run the country for over a decade, having a local labour MP means $hit compared to winning a GE. Don't beat the labour MP up for Tory national rule being $hite, it makes no sense.
The damage for this election was done to labour when the tories allowed a referendum in 2016, and they didn't allow it because they thought it had a chance, they allowed it because they thought it didn't. The only way we ended up with this crap version of brexit is because the tories battered each other and each time the "deal" version of brexit got worse and worse (and nothing like what was promised).
WTF does BoJo and his mates know about life in Hartlepool, Teesside or anywhere that regularly takes a beating?

If people thought 2010-2020 was bad, and labours/ the EU's fault then they're going to have one hell of a ride for the 2020-2030
Who can these tory voters blame for the next decade? They've used up all their excuses now.

The only good thing to come of this lot is that it will actually get rid of all the excuses, Tory voters think it's going to get better, and it might for their top 10%, but the rest are in for a shock.

I soo hope I'm wrong, I really do, and hope it works out for Hartlepool and the UK, but I just don't see how it's possible. Fundamentally we've shot ourselves in the foot with regards to trade, and that will batter jobs, and that will batter the North East. The forecast for the UK's growth (or lack of) is predicted to hit the North East the worst, and by North East it won't be Newcatle, it will be Teesside.

At least Cameron didn't want it, and neither did May and then once PM she later preferred a customs union/ SM, before being forced from it, this clown BoJo is aiming for the version that's worse (he knows it's worse as he was reaminer!). You don't just switch from being a remainer to a hard breixter, because it's going to be great for the North East, it's either because it's good for his pocket, or good for the south.
 
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Maybe the tories did so well in this area because of....
Delivering Brexit as wanted by the democratic vote.
Guiding the country through Covid
A successful vaccine scheme.
Promise of environment friendly jobs on Teesside
Treasury jobs in Darlington.
Houchen's success as mayor and his work in trying to make the airport successful.

Labour offer nothing other than hindsight, bickering and confusion.
 
Ricard19 said:
Maybe the tories did so well in this area because of....
Delivering Brexit as wanted by the democratic vote. - wasn't the version promised (far from it)
Guiding the country through Covid - lol
A successful vaccine scheme. - just like all of the developed world, you don't need to rely on a vaccine so quick, if you control it better
Promise of environment friendly jobs on Teesside - we'll see what happens there
Treasury jobs in Darlington. - Hartlepool will be furious about this :ROFLMAO:, buj joking aside, I think we got this as a bit of a bribe, but that's fine for now
Houchen's success as mayor and his work in trying to make the airport successful. - spent a lot of money on that airport, but what gain have we had from it? Might save an hour for a flight, but it will cost more. I do actually like this idea mind, but it's a bit of a white elephant for people who are skint or don't/ won't ahve a job.

Labour offer nothing other than hindsight, bickering and confusion. - they've not been in power, what confusion is there about "we'll look after the working class, and those that need it most, better"
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Hard to get an instant success from Teesside Airport when Covid has hit international and national flights.
At least he's carrying out what his mayoral election manifesto said he would.
Boris has had the most difficult start to any elected PM with Covid and Brexit to manage and whilst not being done to perfection this has been delivered.
 
HolgateCorner said:
It makes every sense -

Tory MP = Johnson will give them money

Labour MP = they get nothing until they vote Tory
of them have already been getting it. They are called furlaugh payments
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A lot of them have already been getting money from Boris Johnson. They are called furlough payments. They feel the Tories have saved them. This is short term of course but it definitely helped.
 
Maye they should have done badly in this area because of
Thousands of needless excess covid deaths
Selling covid contracts to their mates
Corruption and cronyism
Lie after lie from the PM
The PM being morally corrupt
The Cummings fiasco
Kids school dinners cut
The mess in NI
Ministers breaking the ministerial code
 
this will go into the 1000's ........but it will stilll be someone else's fault ?

Was born & dragged up in Raggy , where everyone voted for a pig in a red rosette , was the way then . This crowd have b***r all in common with working class .....neither do other side , but people have changed & the Bill rogers , Stuart bells , Cooks , williams etc have created this by taking the pee & taking it for granted . We had a Sedgefield PM who gave this area b***r all & it has gone on thus .

Gammons , racists etc ........or people who said sod you ?... Labour can decide
 
This thread should have ended at williammunny's excellent post (#95), instead the regulars of this board have picked the easy target and attacked the obvious antagoniser "mushroom". It would be nice to see a thread with ideas on how to beat the torys at the next election instead of attacking at every opportunity.
 
Ingleby_Flash said:
Me and my familly have been Labour for ever, I’m still hanging in there.

The day after the last general election I was in Bishop Aukland on familly business with my sister. I said to her I couldn’t believe it had become a Tory town. She said to me “Look around, it’s a shïthole and it used to be nice when we were kids. People ask what has labour done for them”

People want change, many will vote for anything that isn’t status quo, in my view this was reflected in many Brexit votes and the general election. Labour need to show them policies and a route to a future they want, they aren’t doing that.
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The local labour parties in the traditional northern towns have taken their dominance for granted and its biting them on the @rse.

Its depressing really but as has been said we need to do sneering and blaming "thick voters" and instead provide something for people.

Putting it into a football context, you've got to do anything to win. Sometimes that means beating your opposition at their own game.

My eldest child is six. I'm worried he'll not see anything other than a tory government and even if that didn't happen to be the case, I'm more worried that he'll never avoid the current damage being caused to society
 
WeeGord said:
Please can you explain in detail why you consider Labour to be anti-working class and anti-British?
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This is something that confuses me. I’m a party member and genuinely don’t see it. I’m tempted to believe that it is a cleaver my constructed myth with the Tories painted as the only ones who can defeat it. We are in a situation where a bunch of extremist protestors pull down a statue or two and Labour are tarred with the same brush. Yet we don’t do that with extremists on the right. Tory control of the press is key to the perpetuation of this message.
 
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