Tory`s win Hartlepool by 6940 votes.
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NoMushroom
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Both - I started with nothing and worked hard - it's not difficult to understand
Andy_W
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Yeah, they sure do, probably even harder now, especially with what is coming in the UK, maybe even 90% would fail, probably more that just dealt with UK markets only.
Exactly, more competition, more people spunking the only money they do have, setting it on fire and then actually needing the foodbanks, where as before they might have been contributing to them.
The worst thing for a lot of businesses is other businesses, they want to sell to the public, but three new businesses fighting for the same sale end up leaving with a 3rd each, which isn't sustainable, so they all go broke. Even the last man standing doesn't win as he's accrued too much debt and can't sustain it. Some other established tory will come in and take the sale instead, no doubt exploiting cheap foreign labour, foreign manufacturing or off shore duns/ tax havens.
It's hard to grow a load of new businesses when there is no UK wide growth, and a Tory like mushroom man should realise that there a bigger tories willing to crush the little man (and other little tories).
NoMushroom
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Pretty difficult to crush me when I have registered trademarks, they can try and buy me out, but that's about it
Andy_W
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Who gave policies and provided your education, who actually taught you in school, college, uni? Who, delivered you at the hospital? I bet it wasn't majority tories.
They didn't appear out of nowhere, for free, their staff were not free, along this line a lot of the "nothing" you have has been given to you by typically "left" policies/ people.
bear66
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No one delivered him at the hospital. He's a self made man. A scientific freak.
Andy_W
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There's a lot of people who have thought like that and ended up with nothing, very quickly.
What do you sell/ do?
Are your trademarks worldwide? You mention you mainly deal with the USA? What if someone in the USA wants a USA trademark, slightly different, or just copies and makes it better? What if someone in China wants to copy, do you think they care?
In a similar circumstance (although not fully representational, have you ever seen dragons den? For every person that has a "watertight" trademark, there are 100 others that don't or it can be easily subverted by those with more money and means, and there is always someone bigger.
Do you not dance trading with the EU next door, there's twice as many people and they're closer? Oh wait, the tories fcuked that up huh....
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r00fie1
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I`ve got a "trade mark" - but its not registered!
SmogOnTheTees
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There is more opposition to this government than supporters of. Labour cant look at themselves as the direct opposition because the party is flawed - split and going in two directions.
There needs to be an evaluation of what the opposition to this government needs to be and what it needs to be for the voters. There are too many parties as it is, drifting in different directions. Either form a coalition of parties or form a new party out of the rubble that is drifting because this country is dangerously heading to a one party system with disaffected non-voters and no accountability for those in power.
There needs to be an evaluation of what the opposition to this government needs to be and what it needs to be for the voters. There are too many parties as it is, drifting in different directions. Either form a coalition of parties or form a new party out of the rubble that is drifting because this country is dangerously heading to a one party system with disaffected non-voters and no accountability for those in power.
JM14
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Was waiting for that, straight out of the daily mail. What an idiot
Just to clarify, do those wanting to work include the thousands who have ended up 50k in debt to get a degree?
Those forced onto zero hour contracts
Those stuck on pointless apprenticeships with no real qualifications not making enough to live
Those on min wage working full time having to use food banks to survive?
Sure all of those people wanting to work have had a great time
WeeGord
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Is it really though? They've been to hell and back with Covid and now things look much rosier, they're able to start relaxing a little bit and actually not be caught up in the midst of a horric crisis. Given how the last 15 months have been overall the last couple of months have been a massive, massive forward step so its only natural they feel more optimistic.
Perhaps I'm clutching at straws but it makes sense to me anyway.
BlindBoyGrunt
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Nurses haven't had an above inflation wage rise for at least 10 years. You say retraining and starting your own company is not difficult? It is if everybody wants to do it, and it also leaves a shortage.
Andy_W
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That's the problem, brexit brought out some far-right thoughts (even from those in a left sided party), right into the open, they have always been there and they never went away. The tories embraced this (which is sickening), but at the same time labour had probably their most left leader in decades. The centre was there for the taking but labour missed the boat. I know a lot of tories in the forces, who used to vote labour and nearly all of them would have rather had Jimmy Savile as prime minister, rather than Corbyn, it's messed up.
They might have a shout of getting the middle back in 2-3 years, but it's a waste of time if the far left throw out their teddies in the meantime and expect too much left, too soon.
Need to grab the middle and then transition left, slowly, you can't win the right by breaking up, or by going further left, not until we have proportional representation anyway.
When I say left above, I don't mean far left, I just mean left of the tories and going further from them.
WoodallServices
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And your point is....in reply to what I wrote?
WoodallServices
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What’s that got to do with the question I asked?Labour didn't accept the Brexit 2016 result, which they still haven't accepted - people who voted Brexit were called all-sorts of names..... well we haven't forgotten how Labour acted in Parliament or the Court Cases by Labour supporters to try and over-turn the result
Even the Guardian had an article about it only a day or so ago:
Until Labour remainers properly accept Brexit, the party will be stuck in limbo | Larry Elliott
Brexit has settled the UK’s relationship with the EU for years to come. Labour’s duty now is to help improve leavers’ lives, says Guardian columnist Larry Elliottwww.theguardian.com
Konrad_the_Barbarian
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smells like a lot of gammon on this thread.
Would you like to congratulate Ben for his outstanding landslide as well ? Go on you know you want to.
Andy_W
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Where did that percentage come from, was it from "healthcare workers" for tory donors, who hoovered up all the PPE contracts (given by tories)?
I don't know one tory nurse or doctor, out of about 50? Does anyone?
Who did the other 26% vote for, and would their second choice be Tory or Labour.
% stats like that don't mean much, a 5% swing from Tory to Lab and that's level again, but where the rest vote matters most, and where that will be at the next GE.
Chris_Boro
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Quote from the article linked...
"One nurse justified her decision on the survey; “The Government’s top priority must be to fix the economy and boost employment. I (reluctantly) voted for my local Conservative candidate as I know they will do what needs to be done to do this.”
“While Labour is the party of the NHS, the Conservatives are the party [sic] of the economy,” she concluded."
It's difficult to argue against this type of rational, a Labour Council will not get the funding a Tory one will and the next election is a long time away.
It's people like this who have given their vote to the Tories who will very much need to live up to expectations in order to hold their vote at the next GE.