Tees_In_The_USA
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Will fireman, police and armed forces be receiving the 12.5% aswell?
Time to see how much the government really values nurses
- Thread starter ThatFragranceGuy
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1finny
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Have they asked for it?
ThatFragranceGuy
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Average police officer pay is already 6k higher then what nurses get, plus far better pension etc, but that is apples to oranges. If police feel they are underpaid, or firefighters, then their unions should be working for what they feel they need, instead of people trying to put nurses down because others aren’t getting it.
1finny
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Armed forces pay review recommended 2% just a few months ago too.
Again - its trying to compare apples with pears just for the sake of an argument.
FatCat
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I’ve never understood that kind of logic.
Tees_In_The_USA
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No I was generally asking if they were going to be getting this also, no argument from me.
1finny
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Bit naught that FC
You brought in the logic of there is no ‘money tree’
We are just pointing out there is money if you want to find it.
Michael_Vronsky
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Wha? Wasn't the clapping payment in itself?!
ThatFragranceGuy
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It was, but we've spent all ours now.
Michael_Vronsky
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Time to see if these self serving slime balls in Parliament actually value service workers. I don't imagine anyone's holding their breath.
Muttley
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We are clapped out (in so many ways)
FatCat
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asredastheycome
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davidmills
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What are you doing on a political post
I do read them
Just don’t usually comment on them
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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If they don't get it they should strike. Let's see how they deal with covid without any nurses. I'm sure they're not allowed but what are they going to do? Arrest them all?
r00fie1
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Read what I pointed out earlier:
We need to support all workers in the public and private sectors.
We need unity, not division.
Its not about who is more deserving than another.
Its about the myth of austerity and the ideology which returns workers to no more than slaves.
Our Police have been cut by 20,000 in the last ten years.
There are over 40,000 unfilled vacancies in the NHS and a massive shortage of nurses and qualified practitioners.
Nurse training colleges have all been sold off and the cost for training turned over to prospective nurses - shouldering the debt of 27,000 in fees over three years in private universities. In addition, Nurses work in other jobs whilst completing placements, keeping their families and paying the bills. No wonder the number of new nurses coming through has been reduced to a trickle.
The fire service has been cut and cut and remains under-resourced. Regional Fire Services mean a diminishing human and equipment resource is thrashed till the balls fall off.
Teachers, cleaners, domestics, bin men, etc, etc have been neglected and treated like schit.
The legal restrictions on Trades Unions and pro-active discrimination and black-listing of union members has been enciouraged by the ideology of profit-before-people.
Those in the private sector on zero hoursa contracts and agency work are nothing more than wage - slaves.
They are like the dockers pre-1950`s: queuing up day by day to get the jobs at the behest of the lacky standing by the gate. The lucky ones got work for the day. The rest went home or stood idle.
Incidentally, it was Thatcher who abolished the dock labour scheme.
Local Authorities have been reduced to the role of brokers for local services: Central Government directs the cuts and forces L.As to rely on increased council tax - or cut services. Our councils shoulder the increasing Social Care bill which has more than doubled in ten years - whilst Libraries, Youth Clubs, Centres for the Mentally Ill and disabled have been closed. Day centres and community centres have been closed and land sold off to private profiteers for a pitance. Council homes have been closed and sold whilst private profiteers make money - paid out of the public purse - to keep our elderly in expensive "homes".
Our housing stock is in no better condition now than it was pre-1945. No major new social house-build has taken place in the last 40 years. At the same time from Thatcher onwards, every government has sold off social housing to the private market - leaving a pyramid of want - back to the pre-war days of what you have in your wallet dictates whether you have a decent roof over your head and dignity with a decent quality of life.
I`l give you a quick example: Nottingham used to have 65% of its population living in social - housing and has lost over 22,000 properties handed over to the private market [for a pitance]. Those homes were built for the people of nottingham to a decent standard to ensure that children and families no longer had to live in over-crowded and low quality housing.
The City of Nottingham has a waiting list of 9000 adult applicants - the vast majority have children and dependent relatives or carers who arent directly included in that figure. Add to that the poor quality of increasingly reluctant private landlords - who are subsidised by the taxpayer - who lines their pockets - where it should be going to social lanlords and the local councils to build more and better homes.
Its a scandal what we have let our country become. But its not "immigrants" or "scroungers" or the unemployed, [or those struggling to get by in low paid jobs] who have caused thios problem: its the ideology of Private = Good, Public = Bad.
The poor are poor because the rich are rich.
If we look at the brazen liars, cheats and thieves we have elected to power we have to ask ourselves why have we allowed this to happen? And we dont need rabble-rousers from the gutter to provide the answer.
We can lead ourselves.
Amen.
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r00fie1
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They know they have Nurses and healthcare workers by the balls - they know they wont leave people on the wards, needing care and attention - like children, the elderly, those in A&E and intensive care.
The NHS needs other workers to back them by taking action - let the politicians know this is all our concern, not just nurses. Do we want to end up like the USA?!!! No thanks.