Time and time again that the referees...

the_holgate_roof said:
No it isn’t , this literally can be broken down to points over a season, it isn’t the law of averages.
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As I've said if your good enough you win and win well and don't need to pick at points lost here and there, but if you scrape points you will obviously sroutanaise every point lost
 
borgelite said:
People who always look to blame others have personality issues.
Look at Alex Ferguson, his constant moaniing at refs and questioning of things like added time was uncalled for and really had no effect on the trophys they won.
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What if someone is to blame for something?
 
borgelite said:
As I've said if your good enough you win and win well and don't need to pick at points lost here and there, but if you scrape points you will obviously sroutanaise every point lost
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We were good enough to win today, we scored 2 good goals and conceded one legal goal. But we didn't win. Sound bites about of you are good enough you win are just meaningless soundbites, nothing more.

If you are talking over the season, well if twice we have had red cards rescinded because they were wrong, how many times has the same happened to our opponents? zero.

We had a player kicked in teh face and no pen, what pen decisions did we get away with?

Today's two blatent decisions, where were they evened out?
 
newyddion said:
What if someone is to blame for something?
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Everyone has to be accountable in life but that's not my overall point.
All my point is that over a period of time ie a season you can't look for someone else to blame, again example Ferguson never took responsibility for man utd short falls, it was always some else's fault why they'd lost.
 
borgelite said:
Everyone has to be accountable in life but that's not my overall point.
All my point is that over a period of time ie a season you can't look for someone else to blame, again example Ferguson never took responsibility for man utd short falls, it was always some else's fault why they'd lost.
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so point out where we have gotten ref decisions this season that earned us points. Rather than supposition
 
borgelite said:
Everyone has to be accountable in life but that's not my overall point.
All my point is that over a period of time ie a season you can't look for someone else to blame, again example Ferguson never took responsibility for man utd short falls, it was always some else's fault why they'd lost.
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So.. what is your point? What has today’s poor referee got to do with Alex Ferguson?
 
newyddion said:
So.. what is your point? What has today’s poor referee got to do with Alex Ferguson?
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The answer is nothing at all. We were robbed pure and simple. We scored 2 fair goals, they scored 1 and no amount of floundering around vague statements can change that fact.
 
BoroMart said:
The answer is nothing at all. We were robbed pure and simple. We scored 2 fair goals, they scored 1 and no amount of floundering around vague statements can change that fact.
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We were robbed, maybe today, being robbed in one game doesn't make or break a season.
Didn't JW claim this sort of thing?
I'll tell you one man who never blamed refs Bruce Rioch
 
borgelite said:
We were robbed, maybe today, being robbed in one game doesn't make or break a season.
Didn't JW claim this sort of thing?
I'll tell you one man who never blamed refs Bruce Rioch
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Yes and we got relegated from the old Division One by him not complaining about poor reffing for us back in 88-89.

I accept that one bad reffing decision doesn't make or break a season, but this isn't the only one, far from it. We are a limited side, but clearly so are Swansea, and Reading, and Barnsley etc. You don't need to be special in this league to make the play offs and with better reffing we would be in with a shout.
 
borgelite said:
So it's been a problem for 30 years 😂
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To varying degrees yes. For all the questioning of VAR, it has made a huge difference in reducing the number of incorrect decisions. If it was in the championship we would probably be 8-10 points better off, probably comfortably in the play offs
 
borgelite said:
Bu. LL s5itt. You are where you are because of your ability not refs decisions, I'll leave it there 🙄
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you can leave it there, it's still a fact.

If you want to counter with examples of where we have gained points this season through ref failure then feel free, otherwise your argument is "I see your facts but I choose to ignore the facts and rely on instinct and prejudices", and that's fine if that's how you feel, but lets just be honest that that is what you are doing.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
Yes, best left there, your argument has run out of steam.
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Just out of interest, which side of the argument do you think has run out of steam?

I agree with Boromart on this.

The reason Fergie (and other managers of big clubs) put pressure on the refs is because they know it’s a game of fine margins and every little decision in their favour helps.
 
The one positive thing for me regarding the ref and his team is that when they look back they will know that they right royally f****d up and hopefully get reprimanded by whoever runs these bunch of s**t houses
 
The vomiting vicar said:
The one positive thing for me regarding the ref and his team is that when they look back they will know that they right royally f****d up and hopefully get reprimanded by whoever runs these bunch of s**t houses
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He will have his excuses lined up and I tell you what they will be -

Bolasi dived in with both feet off the ground, won the ball but caught the defender on the follow through, he maybe should have had a red card.

Saville dived in and at normal speed he thought the Swansea player got there first, but he dived in and similar to Bolasie could have had a red.

The ref will say he was lenient not to have carded them.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Just out of interest, which side of the argument do you think has run out of steam?

I agree with Boromart on this.

The reason Fergie (and other managers of big clubs) put pressure on the refs is because they know it’s a game of fine margins and every little decision in their favour helps.
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The argument I am referring to is, the insistence that refereeing decisions don’t influence a teams finishing position over the course of a season, it certainly has an impact, as per yesterday’s game.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
The argument I am referring to is, the insistence that refereeing decisions don’t influence a teams finishing position over the course of a season, it certainly has an impact, as per yesterday’s game.
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sorry I couldn’t tell, and I agree, it can have a big impact. Even just one match can be key in terms of momentum, keeping a run going, team morale, these things matter a lot.
 
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