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SmallTown said:
I don’t know how many times I have to explain to you that it’s precisely because people are feeling suicidal and lonely that I don’t want people to gather at Christmas. I guess you’d just rather have a self righteous holier than though argument with me then listen to my logical. Shame but I’m out. Not interested in your vendetta anymore it’s so tedious
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There's only one person being holier than thou here pal, and its the same one that always is. You just never learn do you. Have a nice Christmas
 
Aet290204 said:
This is a mental health pandemic as well.
That has been completely forgotten about.
Loneliness is horrible.
Depression is a horrible affliction. Six weeks ago on my 50th birthday I stood in the pouring rain by the side of the road for 20 mins thinking about jumping in front of every car that went past.
So forgive me for not caring.
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That really hit me this morning. I'm so sorry to read that.
 
LowMoorBoro said:
Pretty devastating with this announcement today and not sure what to do.
Not to go into too much detail but both my Daughter and Partner were diagnosed with a genetic muscle wasting condition this year, and don’t know how many Christmas we’ll have. Could be 1 could be 20.
We’ve followed the rules strictly throughout and were looking forward to this window for my Daughter to meet some family she’s never met. Us and them don’t want to break the rules, but in the same vein in terms of threat of any of us getting the virus hasn’t changed just because of a press conference.
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And then this one has broken me, my thoughts go out to you and your family mate. Just know whatever decision you and your family make it's the right one.

Don't let any person on this forum tell you otherwise.

With that I think I might go and let out a little tear somewhere quiet.
 
MAD_POG said:
Serious question - if you have all isolated and been ultra careful why would you not get together - you are at no risk - these rules are not laws (as far as I can gather) aimed at people who have not done/ or been able to do what you have done to be able to enjoy the festive period
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My father in law is uncomfortable pog it's the main reason. We also have an elderly couple living next door who are vulnerable and have gone the extra yard, I think it might be galling for them to see us break the rules.

We have frozen the meat and told everyone not to send Christmas presents and we will re schedule a Christmas dinner in the new year as soon as we can.
 
This fiasco is going to be much harder on some than others. For anyone who is going to be alone this Christmas reach out to someone local.

My wife and I are making a couple of extra Christmas dinners to take round to an elderly man and lady that live in our village, they're gonna love turkey parmo.

People are willing to help if you need it.

We have a village community Facebook page, have a look for something like that.
 
Laughing said:
My father in law is uncomfortable pog it's the main reason. We also have an elderly couple living next door who are vulnerable and have gone the extra yard, I think it might be galling for them to see us break the rules.

We have frozen the meat and told everyone not to send Christmas presents and we will re schedule a Christmas dinner in the new year as soon as we can.
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If only others felt the same. I've butted heads with you quite a bit, but I cant fault your views and attitude here, who could. Best wishes for as happy a Christmas as you can manage 👍
 
Artie Fufkin said:
If only others felt the same. I've butted heads with you quite a bit, but I cant fault your views and attitude here, who could. Best wishes for as happy a Christmas as you can manage 👍
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Artie as you know I enjoy a good argument and I like listening to others opinions that differ from mine. I only have a problem when someone starts to use inflammatory language like selfish about people who are in circumstances the poster doesn't appreciate. St does this a lot so I won't engage with him, you I am happy to row with.

We are all just trying to get through this and support our loved ones and neighbours through this.

In the last month or so I have started to appreciate how much more difficult this has been for some than me.

For some dying of covid isn't the worst thing that could happen or the most immediate threat, the months of isolation and lonliness forced on people for no fault of their own is heartbreaking.
 
Jostler said:
Absolutely crazy but not unexpected behaviour. How much is going to offset any benefit of Tier4?

www.independent.co.uk

Travel chaos as trains and motorways loaded with people escaping London for Christmas

Many tickets from capital to Manchester, Newcastle, Liverpool, and Glasgow for evening of 19 December sold out
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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They'll crawl back to the capital in the new year and sneer at the rest of the country when restrictive measures are imposed upon those regions to deal with the increasing infection rate.
 
Laughing said:
Artie as you know I enjoy a good argument and I like listening to others opinions that differ from mine. I only have a problem when someone starts to use inflammatory language like selfish about people who are in circumstances the poster doesn't appreciate. St does this a lot so I won't engage with him, you I am happy to row with.

We are all just trying to get through this and support our loved ones and neighbours through this.

In the last month or so I have started to appreciate how much more difficult this has been for some than me.

For some dying of covid isn't the worst thing that could happen or the most immediate threat, the months of isolation and lonliness forced on people for no fault of their own is heartbreaking.
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Willing to row with you anytime, it's usually a debate that provokes thought and while we may not agree, it's important to hear a different opinion 👍
 
FAO Aet290204 and others, there are exemptions, i.e. avoiding injury or illness which includes mental and physical illness, if you need to do it for your mental health, do it. Best wishes.
 
the_smog_chorus said:
FAO Aet290204 and others, there are exemptions, i.e. avoiding injury or illness which includes mental and physical illness, if you need to do it for your mental health, do it. Best wishes.
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I’m aware of this - I had a breakdown during the spring lockdown and spoke to a doctor, who told me as I was mentally ill I could visit family if I wanted to - thanks 👍
 
Laughing said:
My father in law is uncomfortable pog it's the main reason. We also have an elderly couple living next door who are vulnerable and have gone the extra yard, I think it might be galling for them to see us break the rules.

We have frozen the meat and told everyone not to send Christmas presents and we will re schedule a Christmas dinner in the new year as soon as we can.
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Love your attitude here Laughing actually someone thinking about others and not just themselves. Most people just think about themselves- my neighbours opposite had their daughter and grandkids turn up today unpacking their car no doubt staying for Christmas, without a second thought about the elderly lady next door to them who is recently out of hospital(we are tier 4). Well done, I wish there was more thoughtful people like you around.
 
I’ve just had a thought that will feed in to the North South conspiracy theory - has London been put into tier 4 in order that they can be prioritised to receive the vaccine? I don’t believe that myself but others may?
 
This 'exodus' was seen in New York during their clampdown so it should come as no surprise that it has happened in London.
Crap action from the government yet again by giving a window of opportunity to people, but by God we really don't learn as individuals.
I know we are a knowledgeable lot on here and not at all representative of the general population. I wonder just how many catch up on news at home and abroad to see how other countries are handling things be they good or bad because we don't seem to be aware as a nation of just what it is that beats these infection paths.
 
dooderooni said:
This 'exodus' was seen in New York during their clampdown so it should come as no surprise that it has happened in London.
Crap action from the government yet again by giving a window of opportunity to people, but by God we really don't learn as individuals.
I know we are a knowledgeable lot on here and not at all representative of the general population. I wonder just how many catch up on news at home and abroad to see how other countries are handling things be they good or bad because we don't seem to be aware as a nation of just what it is that beats these infection paths.
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An exodus happened in Paris too. People going off to their second home in the countryside.
 
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