The Wilder/Burnley Connection confirmed by Scott

Of course this sentence is a big fat lie. I totally understand why people want to hear poor old Chris speak and clear his name. It's so they will have yet another stick to beat Gibbo and the rest of the club's leadership with.🙂
I’m not sure anyone is saying the want wilder to clear his name. He poorly answered a question no one can deny that. What was the reason he answered that way. Only Chris wilder knows, although thousands of boro fans will tell you otherwise
 
But nobody is denying there was an issue with "the burnley connection" because social media, talksport and the fans were full of it. It still doesn't mean Wilder approached Burnley or indeed the other way round. All it says is that the "connection " was a distraction.

Burnley fans will trll you that Wilder was never an option. At no time did they discuss him as a potential manager. None whatsoever.
A couple of us asked Wilder straight after and outside the Bournemouth away game right when the story broke. Despite the fact he knew me really well by that point he did not reply. In hindsight that silence said more than many words.
 
Whatever happened with the "link" as Rob said above the way he handled the rumours/aftermath was appalling.
He lost a lot of fans after this (and probably Gibson) and I think the only way he could have rebuilt his bridges was by having a cracking start to the season. Didn't happen and the rest is history.

We are in a far better place now and I'm thankful Gibson didn't give him the Spence/Tav money to spaff on average older players.

Onwards and upwards 👍
 
It doesn't actually confirm there was an approach from Burnley tbf. It just confirms there was an issue between Wilder and Boro. Maybe Wilder approached Burnley to let them know he was available but they weren't interested but word got back to boro.

Or maybe it was simply over the way he dealt with the speculation.
If that were the case though, wouldn’t the club have acted much quicker, like they did with Monk, once the trust is broken, then there is no come back.
 
A couple of us asked Wilder straight after and outside the Bournemouth away game right when the story broke. Despite the fact he knew me really well by that point he did not reply. In hindsight that silence said more than many words.
Exactly rob both you and the bbc crew had that kind of access that wasn’t always public and as you say for whatever reason not only did he not answer even or deny the speculation he fanned it with his insipid response.

With all due respect to your friend agent AM the only person who knows the truth is Chris wilder and for whatever he was happy for the speculation to fester.
 
If that were the case though, wouldn’t the club have acted much quicker, like they did with Monk, once the trust is broken, then there is no come back.
Well all we now know for sure is that there was indeed a 'Burnley situation' as referenced by KS. We saw Wilders public response when questioned about it. There can be no doubt it damaged his relationships inside the club. Maybe the cup run convined Gibbo that it could still work so he let things play out to see what happened. Maybe they just didn't feel like there was anyone better than Wilder available at the time so didn't want to rush into pulling the trigger. Could be many factors, but it was clear they weren't working together during summer window so in hindsight I'd say he should have gone before start of season.
 
If it’s a forum meeting talking to fans why does it remain private? Genuinely wanting to understand why.
Like with any meeting, we sometimes do get asked to keep some things off the record and we have to respect that. They may provide us with confidential information to give us more context to an answer, but don’t want it documented. But we will share everything we can.
 
But nobody is denying there was an issue with "the burnley connection" because social media, talksport and the fans were full of it. It still doesn't mean Wilder approached Burnley or indeed the other way round. All it says is that the "connection " was a distraction.

Burnley fans will trll you that Wilder was never an option. At no time did they discuss him as a potential manager. None whatsoever.
With respect, speculation by the media when linking him with the Burnley job is never going to cause an issue with the club, it's beyond their control.

Given what we do know I think it's very likely that Wilder made it known to Burnley that he would be receptive to an approach, its the overwhelmingly most likely explanation.
 
This is the key point, why continue into the summer if there were substance to the wilder thing
If you go back to a week after the rumours and bookies made Wilder favourite for Burnley, the Boro boss finally issued a statement at the press conference for the next match. He was cracking jokes and on a real charm offensive. But he also admitted there had been a dinner with Steve Gibson, a clear the air meeting/dinner. No public statements were made until after that face to face meal/meeting. We can take it that the ,meal was not just about eating, a lot will have been said and Wilder made it clear Steve Gibson was not just there to listen.
 
Wilder probably did have to go after the flirting with Burnley to be fair, relations obviously soured.

BUT from a managers point of view , why should they display loyalty to a club ? Managers are so readily sacked these days by clubs , it’s probably very hard for them to stay loyal to a club . Set of bad results and you’re out effectively
 
Wilder probably did have to go after the flirting with Burnley to be fair, relations obviously soured.

BUT from a managers point of view , why should they display loyalty to a club ? Managers are so readily sacked these days by clubs , it’s probably very hard for them to stay loyal to a club . Set of bad results and you’re out effectively
That’s the job. A results driven business. They know that when signing the contract.

A job were if you’re a failure, you’re often rewarded in compensation.
Not many industry’s were that happens. I don’t feel sorry for them.
 
As we sacked Wilder I can't see why we'd need a non disclosure agreement unless we as a club were somehow at fault.
multiple reasons, non-disclosure is usually a two way clause, otherwise the club can slate wilder without his right to defend. People lie, clubs lie sometimes, so a two way clause protects against either lying and harming the other.

It's pretty evident that Wilder courted another job not long after we invested in employing him and his team here. It's pretty evident where the blame is. Now he'll claim "wasn't given the tools" "broken promises" etc. but the point he was flirting with Burnley was well before any failure to invest in the summer.
 
Scott talked to Wilder about the job whilst Warnock was in post making it clear that his vision didn’t align with Warnock. He then claims that Wilders vision didn’t align with his own even though Wilder was his choice and was specifically brought in so he would work with this system.
Something doesn’t quite add up for me, wonder how long into a poor run of form it takes for Carrick to be thrown under the bus as well. Get the feeling Scott isn’t exactly doing well in this job so far
 
Scott talked to Wilder about the job whilst Warnock was in post making it clear that his vision didn’t align with Warnock. He then claims that Wilders vision didn’t align with his own even though Wilder was his choice and was specifically brought in so he would work with this system.
Something doesn’t quite add up for me, wonder how long into a poor run of form it takes for Carrick to be thrown under the bus as well. Get the feeling Scott isn’t exactly doing well in this job so far
I suspect Wilder claimed one thing to get the job, then behaved differently when in post
 
Scott talked to Wilder about the job whilst Warnock was in post making it clear that his vision didn’t align with Warnock. He then claims that Wilders vision didn’t align with his own even though Wilder was his choice and was specifically brought in so he would work with this system.
Something doesn’t quite add up for me, wonder how long into a poor run of form it takes for Carrick to be thrown under the bus as well. Get the feeling Scott isn’t exactly doing well in this job so far
Think that's a bit unfair tbh, Warnock should have gone in the summer really, he was given an extra season by Gibson but clearly wasn't part of the long term vision for the club, so as soon as the feeling was that we weren't challenging for promotion there was no reason to keep him on. Of course Warnock and his fan club may claim we were still in the hunt that season but most fans were far more pessimistic about our chances, so it's not that surprising that he got the bullet at that point. Could have been done a little less clumsily for sure. Then with Wilder he must have said all the right things to get in the door, as in his initial interviews he talked about working with Kieron and developing young players like Josh Coburn.. so I think it's more Wilder being a two faced knob, and Scott being at worst a bit naive.
 
Is it not as likely that he was using the Burnley speculation to solidify the way he wanted to manage the club despite the structure agreed when he took the job on and try and push Scott to one side giving him free reign in the summer transfer window
 
Is it not as likely that he was using the Burnley speculation to solidify the way he wanted to manage the club despite the structure agreed when he took the job on and try and push Scott to one side giving him free reign in the summer transfer window
Now that I could believe
 
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