The Traitors.

Brick_Tamland said:
I thought it was weird to have that clip of Charlotte in the bath at the end. Where did that idea come from? I doubt we'd get a clip of Paul in the shower, for example. Just felt out of step from the rest of the programme - it's not Love Island.

Edit: Apparently there was a clip of Andrew in the shower in an earlier episode. I missed that bit. But it still seems weird.
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I very much enjoyed that bit
 
Muttley said:
I thought at the time that the decision to put two traitors into the "condemned" was a mistake. Either one (Ash) or none as a double bluff, because it was such an obvious tactic. If you had put for example Mollie and Diane in there rather than Ash and Gingetawt I think Diane would have been banished.

Can I just point out opinions are not spoilers.
STOP IT
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I said to my wife based on the first series I wouldn’t have put a traitor down there as everyone think one is

It would allow you not murder them but give you another 2/3 banishments
 
i dont think this is a spoiler just a general observation.

The most interesting thing about this programme to me is how so many Faithful still can't separate their feelings about how "nice" someone is or how much of a bond they have with them, from whether they are a Traitor or not (the woman who was just saying how shocked and hurt she'd be if X is a traitor).

I don't know to what extent they're saying it because of the feelings of guilt they might be wrong about their guess and to cover their backs, or whether they genuinely, (despite having seen S1), don't realise the people who you are bonded with are just as likely to be traitors as anyone else. They are all playing a game.
 
zzzzz said:
Watched it for the first time.
What a load of shyte.
Fast forward to the votes and save yourself 50 minutes of nowt.
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I enjoy the conversations around the house and the end games but agree about the group challenges - just fillers really
Yesterdays was a little better tho
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
i dont think this is a spoiler just a general observation.

The most interesting thing about this programme to me is how so many Faithful still can't separate their feelings about how "nice" someone is or how much of a bond they have with them, from whether they are a Traitor or not (the woman who was just saying how shocked and hurt she'd be if X is a traitor).

I don't know to what extent they're saying it because of the feelings of guilt they might be wrong about their guess and to cover their backs, or whether they genuinely, (despite having seen S1), don't realise the people who you are bonded with are just as likely to be traitors as anyone else. They are all playing a game.
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Harry is right when he talks about the stupidity of some of them
The big fella - ‘Paul is 100% not a traitor‘
Others saying - I trust x
Those at the banish table saying - I’m being honest with you

It seems they are so immersed in the life that they have forgotten the basics
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
i dont think this is a spoiler just a general observation.

The most interesting thing about this programme to me is how so many Faithful still can't separate their feelings about how "nice" someone is or how much of a bond they have with them, from whether they are a Traitor or not (the woman who was just saying how shocked and hurt she'd be if X is a traitor).

I don't know to what extent they're saying it because of the feelings of guilt they might be wrong about their guess and to cover their backs, or whether they genuinely, (despite having seen S1), don't realise the people who you are bonded with are just as likely to be traitors as anyone else. They are all playing a game.
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We’ve been watching this and I said the same, I’m sure some people are convinced someone’s a traitor because they don’t like them. Their not looking at what people are doing from the point of it being a game, and seem to think the traitors will be genuinely nasty people.
 
In series 1 the traitor Wilf who lasted to the end was throwing fake tears and sobbing throughout the elimination phases.

Rule no 1 therefore should be for a faithful contestant - anybody, particularly a male, who shows behaviour like that is most definitely a traitor.
 
Fantastic episode last night.

Got to say, Harry is playing a great game. He's going unnoticed. I just wonder who they've asked to become a traitor. Whoever it is will most likely accept, as if you don't then you're likely to be on the chopping block for murder the next night.

Great series so far.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
i dont think this is a spoiler just a general observation.

The most interesting thing about this programme to me is how so many Faithful still can't separate their feelings about how "nice" someone is or how much of a bond they have with them, from whether they are a Traitor or not (the woman who was just saying how shocked and hurt she'd be if X is a traitor).

I don't know to what extent they're saying it because of the feelings of guilt they might be wrong about their guess and to cover their backs, or whether they genuinely, (despite having seen S1), don't realise the people who you are bonded with are just as likely to be traitors as anyone else. They are all playing a game.
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It is a game so I'm not sure why people are ever surprised that someone else is playing a certain role within the game. That's how any games work. When you play Monopoly and you buy hotels on Mayfair it doesn't mean you are betraying your family when you bankrupt them and this is no different really. The whole point is that anyone good at the game will be convincing in their lying/acting so it should never be a real surprise.

The big difference is that this is game played 24hrs a day for 2 weeks and these people have a lot of conversations with each other and really get to know each other over that time so they struggle to believe that someone they know and like would be saying one thing to their face but then doing something differently behind their back. These people don't really know each other, just what they let each other know about them. It would be very interesting to see this game played by a group of very close friends. I would suspect that you'd be able to spot people behaving differently or out of character if you knew that person well.
 
I'm enjoying the series, but was left with a question about the rules of the game last night.

Is there a limit to the number of times the traitors can recruit? If not, where is the benefit to the faithful in identifying traitors early?
 
Frozen Horse said:
I'm enjoying the series, but was left with a question about the rules of the game last night.

Is there a limit to the number of times the traitors can recruit? If not, where is the benefit to the faithful in identifying traitors early?
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Think the traitors can only recruit when they're down to less than 3 traitors. But they don't necessarily have to recruit.
 
"They are a nice person, so they can't be a traitor" seems to be a mindset of loads of the contestants. Did they not set aside a few hours to watch series 1, with that lovely Welsh Woman who was a traitor all along? The Traitors game plan should be to be nice and not draw attention to themselves. The faithful should be looking out for the people trying to be nice and friendly. I cant believe so many faithful don't get that fundamental mindset, but instead they have voted for people that they don't get along with, or people who are strong characters.

Much as I dislike one of the traitors, he deserves to win the money more than many of the faithful who seemingly just don't get the absolute basics. I guess when you are immersed in the game, these things are harder than they look from the outside.
 
I definitely understand it is probably a lot harder to determine who the traitors are, when you're in the game.

But when things like
Meg being murdered when Paul was literally available and a much much more obvious murder (from a traitors POV)- should surely stand out like a sore thumb to the faithfuls. It's so bleedingly obvious and suspicious that Meg was murdered, when Paul was an option, especially when Meg was very likely to be banished the next day anyways as she had attracted so much heat.

Got to admit though, it makes for very good TV viewing and BBC have got themselves a cracking programme.

Hope they don't screw it over in series to come and start including social media wannabes and complete idiots - a bit like the sh!te that Big Brother and Love Island do.
 
Marvanelli said:
Think the traitors can only recruit when they're down to less than 3 traitors. But they don't necessarily have to recruit.
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OK, I accept the possibility that they may not recruit, but the main effect of identify a traitor seems to be the recruitment of another. They celebrate, but there's still effectively the same number of traitors out there.

I wonder if the smart play is, if you're 100% certain someone is a traitor, keep them in there for now. You don't reduce your chance of being murdered by voting them out early, but it could mean someone else is recruited who is harder to detect.

I'm enjoying the cartoon villainy from the 2 longest running traitors.
 
Frozen Horse said:
I wonder if the smart play is, if you're 100% certain someone is a traitor, keep them in there for now. You don't reduce your chance of being murdered by voting them out early, but it could mean someone else is recruited who is harder to detect.
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Maybe that is what Jaz is currently doing? He already suspects Paul and he's had him down as a traitor for a while but he's keeping his cards quite close to his chest.

He also knows it was Harry who told Paul about their conversation - and why would Harry tell Paul that, if he was a faithful?

I think if Jaz is in the final, then the faithful may win because I think he's quite clever compared to the others.

So far I think the key to success for the faithful is hoping Jaz identifies Harry as a traitor before it's too late
 
Finally got Paul out. Thought Charlotte fancied him but she played a blinder suggesting him and then Harry stabbed his fellow traitor in the back. Wouldn’t mind Harry winning considering he is a traitor but watch out for Jaz and Charlotte. (y)
 
I think series 1 showed more people being voted out through in fighting.. like folks just getting voted out cos others didn’t want an asrehole to win the money.

I expected tonight to play out how it did.
 
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