The pandemic rages on while our 'government' do nothing

You 'think' you recovered. You don't know that. It's been proven that there are things covid does to the body that aren't immediately apparent, such as the decrease in brain functioning. Let's see how you go....
I realise that l, there is more at play here than my health sherlock. I still struggle to breathe and seem to have rolling chest infections, always coughing stuff up. But and I mean but, the lives I have seen destroyed by what some are calling "protections" are vast, I don't personally believe what we went through was qorth it, just remember that restrictions don't mean the problem has gone either, it just gives us a short break.
 
Far more damaging to the economy to do nothing.

We are systematically disabling huge proportions of the population. 3 million plus with long covid. The risk of long covid increases exponentially with every infection. What happens when that 3 million becomes 6, 9, 12 million? There'll be no workforce left so we'll end up in an economic lockdown anyway.
Realistically what can we do at this stage?
 
Disagree.

How does improving ventilation, for example, adversely affect someone's life?

The language of restrictions is very damaging, there are things that can be done that improve the situation and have no negative effects whatsoever.
My point is say we all wear masks, thats fine by the way. We install HEPA filters in all buildings, we do another round of jabs, and the infections are still really high, we then move to the "ok, let's put a capacity limit in shops and pubs" . Jobs are then lost again, furlough starts again. That doesn't bring it down so we then close all non essential retail again, stop the live sport and music again. That doesn't do much, what next? We lock down, another 3 months goes by, transmission drops again, we come back out even more screwed than before and carry on. But hey presto, 3 months later were back where we are now!!
 
My point is say we all wear masks, thats fine by the way. We install HEPA filters in all buildings, we do another round of jabs, and the infections are still really high, we then move to the "ok, let's put a capacity limit in shops and pubs" . Jobs are then lost again, furlough starts again. That doesn't bring it down so we then close all non essential retail again, stop the live sport and music again. That doesn't do much, what next? We lock down, another 3 months goes by, transmission drops again, we come back out even more screwed than before and carry on. But hey presto, 3 months later were back where we are now!!
But say we wear masks, install HEPA filters in all buildings, improve ventilation and keep on with vaccines and infection numbers drop....
 
The narrative most want to adopt is that we are through the pandemic, people keep referring to now as being post pandemic. They tell us covid is now mild and nothing to worry about.

Meanwhile the actual facts tell us a very different story. Case numbers are higher than ever according to the ONS, and the 'mild' narrative holds up to no scrutiny when you look at the numbers in hospital.

These figures are the numbers in hospital with covid on 14th July in the last 3 years:

2022: 17,019
2021: 3,862
2020: 1,994

Let's hope the inquiry makes someone pay for this complete abandonment of public health policy.
One of them is my mum
She went in for cancer investigation - got covid
 
But say we wear masks, install HEPA filters in all buildings, improve ventilation and keep on with vaccines and infection numbers drop....
Well I'm all for those measures sherlock. What I'm not in agreement with is to keep going with more measures afterwards until something sticks for a few months, but the above measures are a no brained. But unfortunately our govt will not do it, and even if they did we have groups in this country that will always call for more. Its that more part that really troubles me, but rest assured the "do nothing part" also troubles me
 
Well I'm all for those measures sherlock. What I'm not in agreement with is to keep going with more measures afterwards until something sticks for a few months, but the above measures are a no brained. But unfortunately our govt will not do it, and even if they did we have groups in this country that will always call for more. Its that more part that really troubles me, but rest assured the "do nothing part" also troubles me
Then we're on the same page. And this is exactly why I'll refer to these measures as protections rather than restrictions.
 
Then we're on the same page. And this is exactly why I'll refer to these measures as protections rather than restrictions.
OK, well perhaps we have crossed wires. The impression I got (most probably wrongly) was that you were in favour of any measures to reduce transmission, these specific ones i agree on and wouldn't call them restrictions either, some would argue that masks are a restriction but I diaagree
 
OK, well perhaps we have crossed wires. The impression I got (most probably wrongly) was that you were in favour of any measures to reduce transmission, these specific ones i agree on and wouldn't call them restrictions either, some would argue that masks are a restriction but I diaagree
Sorry, to add, the reason I disapprove of the term "protections" is this is how sturgeon referred to a package of measures which did infact include restrictions on movement and who you could see, it was a very strange attempt to make people view something very extreme and damaging I the same way we view a seat belt. Perhaps I've let that bleed into my view on things we can all easily do lime wear a mask, for me the term protection has had a negative effect (I stress this is just me) as the word is synonymous with a time when people were trying to us psychology to chance a persons view on what I saw as very damaging measures, again I don't mean masks and non invasive measures
 
OK, well perhaps we have crossed wires. The impression I got (most probably wrongly) was that you were in favour of any measures to reduce transmission, these specific ones i agree on and wouldn't call them restrictions either, some would argue that masks are a restriction but I diaagree
I spent over 2 years shielding, and believe me the absolute last thing I want to see is a return to that or lockdown in any form.

What I would like to see are those measures I outlined so for the CEV population actually doing anything in life becomes less like playing Russian Roulette.
 
I spent over 2 years shielding, and believe me the absolute last thing I want to see is a return to that or lockdown in any form.

What I would like to see are those measures I outlined so for the CEV population actually doing anything in life becomes less like playing Russian Roulette.
Its awful, I'm CV, not CEV, and its been hard and scary. I agree, in fact I think we've gone from one extreme (way too far) to thebother (way too little). That is down to having an inept government. Let's not forget, the only reason we "declared freedom" was because Boris got caught, if he hadn't we would still be under restrictions, as I believe back then covid restrictions were a "safe space for boris", as I say, he then got caught boozing and declared us all free!!! I hope thi gs i prove for you sherlock and everyone for that matter
 
Why is there no case for protections? We have the highest case numbers ever, rapidly increasing hospitalisations, waning vaccines and the herd immunity theory can never work for covid.

Then what then ? Restrictions indefinitely ?

Because this virus isn’t going away . It will continuously mutate , like all viruses do . If it didn’t , it would be on its way to extinction because the immune system would be too strong against it .

Im 31, I’m triple jabbed and will happily have any future vaccines if needed to. I eat healthy, I exercise lots and don’t drink and don’t do drugs. I’ve had covid already and isolated when I needed to. Like other endemic viruses the people who are most vulnerable will have their yearly vaccines and that should be the end of it .

You can’t enforce restrictions under the guise of long covid or it could mutate to be more harmful because the restrictions would potentially then become indefinite . You can’t dictate lives based on what ifs

I’m sceptical of the data because there is a ginormous difference between in hospital with covid and in hospital because of covid. Omicron gave us record hospitalisations because of the cases but no further measures were introduced because they realised many more hospitalisations were with covid rather than because of it .
 
I spent over 2 years shielding, and believe me the absolute last thing I want to see is a return to that or lockdown in any form.

What I would like to see are those measures I outlined so for the CEV population actually doing anything in life becomes less like playing Russian Roulette.

If someone isn’t vaccinated then yes, doing activities can be a case of Russian roulette. But then , I struggle to sympathise with these people . Our human rights of living our lives freely shouldn’t be compromised to safeguard the human rights of someone unvaccinated who wishes to feel safe . Their lack of vaccine is completely on them

If you’re vaccinated and vulnerable then I’m afraid to say this is as good as it gets with covid . We’ve got anti virals for it, and vaccines that can and will be tweaked to mutations.
 
If someone isn’t vaccinated then yes, doing activities can be a case of Russian roulette. But then , I struggle to sympathise with these people . Our human rights of living our lives freely shouldn’t be compromised to safeguard the human rights of someone unvaccinated who wishes to feel safe . Their lack of vaccine is completely on them

If you’re vaccinated and vulnerable then I’m afraid to say this is as good as it gets with covid . We’ve got anti virals for it, and vaccines that can and will be tweaked to mutations.
Except vaccine effectiveness has waned to the point where the vast majority of the population are now effectively unvaccinated. And the boosters in October are only for those over 50.

So if you are under 50, and not CEV, it doesn't matter if they tweak the vaccines as you won't be getting it.

Problematic huh?
 
The problem with that is the figure for "people in hospital with COVID" is just that. I was talking to a nurse who works at the RVI and she said that people are not presenting with COVID (or at least very few) they are coming into hospital with a broken leg or whatever and when tested they have COVID. Being "in hospital with COVID" doesn't mean COVID put you there. What is causing the problem is that they then infect the nurses, doctors and ancillary staff who then have to isolate meaning that wards are understaffed.
When I was in hospital a couple of weeks ago I was swabbed for covid as I was potentially staying in overnight. It's protocol for those staying in a a bed. Luckily I didn't need to be kept in and I didn't test positive but had I tested positive I would have gone on the list as a covid patient in hospital yes?
 
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