The pandemic rages on while our 'government' do nothing

sherlock

sherlock

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The narrative most want to adopt is that we are through the pandemic, people keep referring to now as being post pandemic. They tell us covid is now mild and nothing to worry about.

Meanwhile the actual facts tell us a very different story. Case numbers are higher than ever according to the ONS, and the 'mild' narrative holds up to no scrutiny when you look at the numbers in hospital.

These figures are the numbers in hospital with covid on 14th July in the last 3 years:

2022: 17,019
2021: 3,862
2020: 1,994

Let's hope the inquiry makes someone pay for this complete abandonment of public health policy.
 
sherlock1969 said:
The narrative most want to adopt is that we are through the pandemic, people keep referring to now as being post pandemic. They tell us covid is now mild and nothing to worry about.

Meanwhile the actual facts tell us a very different story. Case numbers are higher than ever according to the ONS, and the 'mild' narrative holds up to no scrutiny when you look at the numbers in hospital.

These figures are the numbers in hospital with covid on 14th July in the last 3 years:

2022: 17,019
2021: 3,862
2020: 1,994

Let's hope the inquiry makes someone pay for this complete abandonment of public health policy.
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While I despise this pathetic excuse for a government, I'd be very surprised to learn those figures are correct. Where's your source please?
 
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sherlock1969 said:
The narrative most want to adopt is that we are through the pandemic, people keep referring to now as being post pandemic. They tell us covid is now mild and nothing to worry about.

Meanwhile the actual facts tell us a very different story. Case numbers are higher than ever according to the ONS, and the 'mild' narrative holds up to no scrutiny when you look at the numbers in hospital.

These figures are the numbers in hospital with covid on 14th July in the last 3 years:

2022: 17,019
2021: 3,862
2020: 1,994

Let's hope the inquiry makes someone pay for this complete abandonment of public health policy.
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I broadly agree but are those figures people who are in hospital with covid or are there because they have covid?
 
The problem with that is the figure for "people in hospital with COVID" is just that. I was talking to a nurse who works at the RVI and she said that people are not presenting with COVID (or at least very few) they are coming into hospital with a broken leg or whatever and when tested they have COVID. Being "in hospital with COVID" doesn't mean COVID put you there. What is causing the problem is that they then infect the nurses, doctors and ancillary staff who then have to isolate meaning that wards are understaffed.
 
sherlock1969 said:
The narrative most want to adopt is that we are through the pandemic, people keep referring to now as being post pandemic. They tell us covid is now mild and nothing to worry about.

Meanwhile the actual facts tell us a very different story. Case numbers are higher than ever according to the ONS, and the 'mild' narrative holds up to no scrutiny when you look at the numbers in hospital.

These figures are the numbers in hospital with covid on 14th July in the last 3 years:

2022: 17,019
2021: 3,862
2020: 1,994

Let's hope the inquiry makes someone pay for this complete abandonment of public health policy.
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Sherlock, I deapise this government, but we cannot continue to shut the country down. Now I know you'll ask for a mask mandate, hepa filters would be nice, but once we realise that mask mandates, hepa filters and all the vaccines in the world still = high transmission, then what do you want next? It really isn't fair to restrict young peoples lives any more than we already have these last 3 years. And like it or not, inspire of this inept government and acknowledging both miss management by the tories and brexit playing a role. The 3 years of mitigations for covid like furlough, free tests, track and trace, closing businesses have cost us unimaginable amounts of money, this is a huge driver of inflation. The reasons are as follows: I work in the energy industry, LD1 meant that energy production dropped due to a sharp fall in demand, thus when we emerged from lockdown the supply couldn't keep up with demand causing a huge increase in wholesale cost, now we also have Ukraine in the mix. After that, the interest on the debt we have accrued is massive, meaning (a) even higher inflation and (b), there is not as much money to help with said inflation / cost of living crisis. I honestly believe the money we have spent on trying to deal with this pandemic will cost as many if not more lives through poverty than the virus cost us in the 1st place. It would be a complete disaster at this stage to re impose anything more than masks and vaccines. The issue is once we impose these measures and transmission is still high, everyone then calls for the next measure which we simply can't afford to do, these measures bring risks of their own!
 
Muttley said:
The problem with that is the figure for "people in hospital with COVID" is just that. I was talking to a nurse who works at the RVI and she said that people are not presenting with COVID (or at least very few) they are coming into hospital with a broken leg or whatever and when tested they have COVID. Being "in hospital with COVID" doesn't mean COVID put you there. What is causing the problem is that they then infect the nurses, doctors and ancillary staff who then have to isolate meaning that wards are understaffed.
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Ah hello Mr Minimising Anecdote, I've been expecting you....
 
Warwickboro said:
Sherlock, I deapise this government, but we cannot continue to shut the country down. Now I know you'll ask for a mask mandate, hepa filters would be nice, but once we realise that mask mandates, hepa filters and all the vaccines in the world still = high transmission, then what do you want next? It really isn't fair to restrict young peoples lives any more than we already have these last 3 years. And like it or not, inspire of this inept government and acknowledging both miss management by the tories and brexit playing a role. The 3 years of mitigations for covid like furlough, free tests, track and trace, closing businesses have cost us unimaginable amounts of money, this is a huge driver of inflation. The reasons are as follows: I work in the energy industry, LD1 meant that energy production dropped due to a sharp fall in demand, thus when we emerged from lockdown the supply couldn't keep up with demand causing a huge increase in wholesale cost, now we also have Ukraine in the mix. After that, the interest on the debt we have accrued is massive, meaning (a) even higher inflation and (b), there is not as much money to help with said inflation / cost of living crisis. I honestly believe the money we have spent on trying to deal with this pandemic will cost as many if not more lives through poverty than the virus cost us in the 1st place. It would be a complete disaster at this stage to re impose anything more than masks and vaccines. The issue is once we impose these measures and transmission is still high, everyone then calls for the next measure which we simply can't afford to do, these measures bring risks of their own!
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Far more damaging to the economy to do nothing.

We are systematically disabling huge proportions of the population. 3 million plus with long covid. The risk of long covid increases exponentially with every infection. What happens when that 3 million becomes 6, 9, 12 million? There'll be no workforce left so we'll end up in an economic lockdown anyway.
 
I wonder how many are in hospital with heat stroke and just so happen to have COVID 🔥

In other news, just heard on the radio Joe Biden has tested positive for COVID.
 
The number in hospital because of covid is the only one that matters. I know loads of people who have had covid recently and the vast majority have had no symptoms or mild cold like symptoms. We always knew that at some point "living with covid" means that covid isn't a problem if you get it just like getting the common cold isn't (for you or anyone you might pass it on to). Are we there yet? Probably not, which is why we are still testing, but we can't be far away. As callous as it sounds there will be people that die because of covid and shutting down the entire country so that doesn't happen is not an option unless we are at the exponential growth in hospitalisations that required a lockdown in the past. We will never have 0 covid deaths/hospitalisations just like we will never have 0 flu deaths/hospitalisations.

Covid is serious enough and also safe enough for the vast majority, like flu, that a once a year vaccine is enough for us to "live with covid". It is terribly unfortunate for those people that do get it and suffer seriously but the only thing that we can really do is adequately support/fund the services that will be treating/caring them.
 
Nano said:
The number in hospital because of covid is the only one that matters. I know loads of people who have had covid recently and the vast majority have had no symptoms or mild cold like symptoms. We always knew that at some point "living with covid" means that covid isn't a problem if you get it just like getting the common cold isn't (for you or anyone you might pass it on to). Are we there yet? Probably not, which is why we are still testing, but we can't be far away. As callous as it sounds there will be people that die because of covid and shutting down the entire country so that doesn't happen is not an option unless we are at the exponential growth in hospitalisations that required a lockdown in the past. We will never have 0 covid deaths/hospitalisations just like we will never have 0 flu deaths/hospitalisations.

Covid is serious enough and also safe enough for the vast majority, like flu, that a once a year vaccine is enough for us to "live with covid". It is terribly unfortunate for those people that do get it and suffer seriously but the only thing that we can really do is adequately support/fund the services that will be treating/caring them.
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Absolute nonsense. Hospitalisations matter but so does long covid.

Your cold and flu analogy is terrible. Show me the figures for the 3 million people with long flu, or long cold.
 
sherlock1969 said:
Ah hello Mr Minimising Anecdote, I've been expecting you....
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No this is about understanding the statistics you are quoting.

I'm no fan of this government but I don't see a case for restrictions at the moment. Plainly you are not interested in debating so crack on soft lad.
 
For the benefit of comparison, how many people are in hospital through pneumonia?

Or heart disease?

Or sectioned through the mental health act?

How is long-COVID any different to people living with angina? Or any other chronic respiratory condition?
 
I'm sorry sherlock, I was diagnosed with long covid myself, and yes it was horrible, couldn't walk more than 10 metres without being short of breath, had to nap whilst at work, this was for almost 6 months. On the flip side I improved and recovered. I also lost a relative to covid in April 2020. On the flipside, my neighbour son, who was a lovely lad, so bright, unfortunately developed depression during LD2 in January 21, he has quit college, and his life will never be the same again, his life opportunitys have been destroyed by this, to protect me and others like me, I don't think its fair and inspire of long covid I hope we never do that to the youth of this country again, however it may be too late to save them already.
 
Muttley said:
No this is about understanding the statistics you are quoting.

I'm no fan of this government but I don't see a case for restrictions at the moment. Plainly you are not interested in debating so crack on soft lad.
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Why is there no case for protections? We have the highest case numbers ever, rapidly increasing hospitalisations, waning vaccines and the herd immunity theory can never work for covid.
 
FatFrank said:
For the benefit of comparison, how many people are in hospital through pneumonia?

Or heart disease?

Or sectioned through the mental health act?

How is long-COVID any different to people living with angina? Or any other chronic respiratory condition?
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Sheer numbers for a starter. No effective treatment too.
 
Warwickboro said:
I'm sorry sherlock, I was diagnosed with long covid myself, and yes it was horrible, couldn't walk more than 10 metres without being short of breath, had to nap whilst at work, this was for almost 6 months. On the flip side I improved and recovered. I also lost a relative to covid in April 2020. On the flipside, my neighbour son, who was a lovely lad, so bright, unfortunately developed depression during LD2 in January 21, he has quit college, and his life will never be the same again, his life opportunitys have been destroyed by this, to protect me and others like me, I don't think its fair and inspire of long covid I hope we never do that to the youth of this country again, however it may be too late to save them already.
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You 'think' you recovered. You don't know that. It's been proven that there are things covid does to the body that aren't immediately apparent, such as the decrease in brain functioning. Let's see how you go....
 
sherlock1969 said:
Why is there no case for protections? We have the highest case numbers ever, rapidly increasing hospitalisations, waning vaccines and the herd immunity theory can never work for covid.
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There are more than one set of people to consider when you start restricting peoples lives, calling them protections doesn't change that, one person's protection is another person's life destroyed, the 2 must be balanced
 
If you feel ill, stay at home til you feel better, firstly as you need to take it easy if you're ill and secondly, so you don't spread your germs around. Just like everybody always has done when they've been ill, had a virus, felt under the weather, been poorly, etc.

Roll on the new season! UTB.
 
Warwickboro said:
There are more than one set of people to consider when you start restricting peoples lives, calling them protections doesn't change that, one person's protection is another person's life destroyed, the 2 must be balanced
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Disagree.

How does improving ventilation, for example, adversely affect someone's life?

The language of restrictions is very damaging, there are things that can be done that improve the situation and have no negative effects whatsoever.
 
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