The Jubilee
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BoroMart
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the less educated are given a nice big platform to spout their lack of education. So why should I 'show humility' and be quiet about it? Why should I be silenced into accepting that ignorance is fine too? Why shouldn't I use my experiences as a way of proving that anyone can educate themselves? Instead of bowing to your 'humility' jibe as a way of cancelling me and my experiences.
I started with the same opportunities in life as most of these people, pull your socks up and sort yourselves out. I did it, you can educate yourself too. I'm not going to apologise for putting some bloody effort in in life.
Why dont you enjoy your retirement instead of being bitter over everything ?
SmallTown
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This is pretty much all Brexitists, monarchists and the right have left isn't it?
Yes we've ruined the country for you, yes things are terrible now, but just enjoy it, you'll be dead soon.
It's so sad.
WTF you going on about ?
SmallTown
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You surley undertsand why people are upset currently? And ignoring issues and telling people to "just enjoy" stuff as the country falls apart won't help?
Lightweight
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Being humible does not mean you remain silent but can speak your mind but don’t try to dominate a conversation or talk over, be eager to understand others because of your curiosity.
You are articulate and can still get your normal reasoned and thought out points without the negativity. People don’t do well at school for multiple reasoned ( family life, personal circumstances, mental health, undiagnosed learning difficulties and some who are like you describe). I am happy for you that you did well in education and it has presented you with great opportunities.
You don’t have to be silenced into accepting ignorance ( no one has asked you to), And as for a one line ”jibe” cancelling you or your experience well if that is plainly incorrect as you can still make your point without phrases like “Most people aren't very educated or intelligent”
Not sure sure if the wording in your reply (you) was directed at me or people in general, but if it was directed at me personally then you know nothing of my circumstances or education, but as someone who has struggled with education in my teens I was luckily enough to get opportunities and help in my mid 20’s. I realise that I was fortunate that someone saw my potential and backed me with time and money to complete my OU but not everyone has that chance.
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BoroMart
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I'm not sure how I've tried to dominate this conversation or talked over anyone, could you elaborate?
I absolutely agree, there are many reasons, but for the record my GCSEs were relatively poor for various reasons, my school education presented me with challenges to overcome, I faced those challenges because I wanted more from life and valued education more than my peers.
I'm not being braggadocios about my education, I worked harder than others to learn that's the reality. I made sacrifices that others chose not to. I stayed in and studied while friends went out and got ***ed. I had nothing while at Uni while they flashed their new clothes from their job and they questioned why I bothered going to uni.
I see education as something that to a certain level is free to all, and in the days of the internet there is a whole host of alternative ways to gain more knowledge. Too many people discard it, don't take it serious, yes, there can be multiple reasons for it, but we have to stop the disdain for education and educated people. Education, knowledge and the necessary cognitive skills acquired lead to better personal decisions and a better society. That might mean sacrificing some things, but anything worth achieving comes at a cost.
it's the intonation that to talk about oneself is lacking humility, sorry but that is where my experience comes from. It's not about humility it's about grounding a view in experiences. The humility jibe is an ad hominem, it's an attack on the person rather than addressing the points. Of course I'll always defend myself from any perceived attack on me. Best to just stick to the point at hand.
People have a range of intelligence and education. Access to wealth means access to better schools and more opportunity to achieve academically and intellectually. The working classes at the worst schools with the worst teachers, the poorest social activities, the lack of a stable and intellectually stimulating social environment will all impact this child and future adults intelligence and education attainment. So yes, the working classes are generally less educated and with less developed cognitive skills. It isn't a slight on them as individuals, but a predictable result of the socio-economic factors at play in their upbringing. We are all just a collection of our experiences at the end of the day, and most were fostered on us from our childhood. The challenge is to break out from that and break the glass ceiling.
it was a generalism
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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He lost the plot ages ago. Bigotry and anger is all you get from him.....oh, and a struggle with comprehension.
SmallTown
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He's really lost it lately. I'm sure it's a brexit thing. Like all brexitists he knows he can no longer defend the process with any logic. But his attempts to defend the crazy process have become ludicrous and he gets so angry with anyone who points this out.
His issue seems to be he thinks people who hate brexit hate working class people. He's extremely wrong on this but he can't get it out of his head so has turned into some raging class warrior
Same_as_before
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Love it, bingo.
Corraighthehypocrite backed by Little Tory, I am getting back into that bath.
Show me anywhere I have shown Bigotry, go on, your telling lies.
You cannot defend your pro SF views when questioned, a position of cowardness.
It's only you who has used phrases like; Feeble, idiot, stupid, et Al to describe working class people.
It's you who said you would whistle against our National Anthem. I will invite you to my club to do it on Sunday. Only one bigot, sectarian here hypocrite.
Corraighthehypocrite backed by Little Tory, I am getting back into that bath.
Show me anywhere I have shown Bigotry, go on, your telling lies.
You cannot defend your pro SF views when questioned, a position of cowardness.
It's only you who has used phrases like; Feeble, idiot, stupid, et Al to describe working class people.
It's you who said you would whistle against our National Anthem. I will invite you to my club to do it on Sunday. Only one bigot, sectarian here hypocrite.
SmallTown
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QED.
I mean, WOW what a crazy rant. I think someone needs some time away from here.
MolteniArcore
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I've skipped through a few pages of people throwing mud at each other but noticed you referring to a club and that intrigued me.
What kind of club? Chess club? Sports club? Cons Club? Brexit club? Working Mans Club?
I don't know anyone in a club anymore. I used to go to Youth Club but that was 30 years ago when I was 11. Oh, and I was in the Beano Fan Club.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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I'll be at Lord's on Sunday wearing my 'Abolish the Monarchy' tee shirt whilst watching the test match.
My view on SF is that they're a popular political party both in the UK and Ireland.
They were involved in terrorism, along with other groups on the so called nationalist and loyalist sides, together with acts carried out by the armed forces. Yet only SF gets a mention by yourself, I wonder why?
I notice that when I criticised the actions of one particular Jewish group within the Labour Party you immediately accused me of anti semitism, despite my views being shared by other Jewish groups.
Your bigotry shines through consistently.
jam69
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Surely SF represents progress, allowing republicans to have a say and voice their opinions and have a say in the future of NI without reverting to the dark days of violence and murder.
Better still the surge in the alliance vote gives hope for the future.
Iam guessing one of the bugbears for SAB is the fact that SF are a pro remain party.
And therefore enemies of the people?
Better still the surge in the alliance vote gives hope for the future.
Iam guessing one of the bugbears for SAB is the fact that SF are a pro remain party.
And therefore enemies of the people?
SmallTown
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I know someone who is a member of the East India company club. I wonder what class that makes him?
Same_as_before
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So you are lying. Show once where I show bigotry.
I despise all sectarian parties, that includes the DUP and SF. The fact you admire one is your issue not mine.
Did you know that the IRA killed more people in Birmingham in one night, decent people having a drink, than the total awful deaths at Croke Park. No English teams were allowed in until the 2000's.
There was no reason for you to bring up a Jewish group in that discussion, why did you not bring up a Muslim or Hindu group?
I despise all sectarian parties, that includes the DUP and SF. The fact you admire one is your issue not mine.
Did you know that the IRA killed more people in Birmingham in one night, decent people having a drink, than the total awful deaths at Croke Park. No English teams were allowed in until the 2000's.
There was no reason for you to bring up a Jewish group in that discussion, why did you not bring up a Muslim or Hindu group?
