The honeymoon is definitely over..

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I’m hoping he doesn’t act like there’s nothing to worry about when he’s talking to bbc tees after that horror show…

Yes, there were a few positive signs, but no where near enough to look at that game and think “we’ll be ok…”
 
The only worrying thing is that we might throw away a chance for a new way of running the club through short termism and impatience from fans.

If we are still shipping goals and playing like this after ten games or so, that would be different.

I think we will come good, perhaps not good enough to match last season but enough to show a way to sustainably run the club with a view to promotion and sustaining us in the PL
 
Muttley said:
The only worrying thing is that we might throw away a chance for a new way of running the club through short termism and impatience from fans.
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Don't think that would be the fans fault, Gibson has done that multiple times, if he thinks it's the right way to run the club then he should stick to his guns rather than chucking everything out at the first sign of trouble as always.
 
Muttley said:
The only worrying thing is that we might throw away a chance for a new way of running the club through short termism and impatience from fans.

If we are still shipping goals and playing like this after ten games or so, that would be different.

I think we will come good, perhaps not good enough to match last season but enough to show a way to sustainably run the club with a view to promotion and sustaining us in the PL
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Gibbo constantly flip flops with management and playing styles which leaves us with a woefully imbalanced squad nearly every time. Karanka to (not counting Agnew) Monk to Pulis to Woodgate to Warnock to Wilder to Carrick to Steve Bruce.
 
Alzi said:
Gibbo constantly flip flops with management and playing styles which leaves us with a woefully imbalanced squad nearly every time. Karanka to (not counting Agnew) Monk to Pulis to Woodgate to Warnock to Wilder to Carrick to Steve Bruce.
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Which is what I'm saying, we can't keep doing that and we as fans need to buy in to a more long term project. The honeymoon may be over but that doesn't mean we get divorced just yet.
 
Chappy112 said:
Don't think that would be the fans fault, Gibson has done that multiple times, if he thinks it's the right way to run the club then he should stick to his guns rather than chucking everything out at the first sign of trouble as always.
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Gibson doesn't usually make changes in a rash manner. Warnock is the only one that I think was quick and ill thought through. I presume because Wilder/his agent said if they didn't bring him in now, he'd be going somewhere else. But:

Robson/Mclaren were given over a decade between them. Southgate was not sacked immediately after relegation and was given a chance to lead a promotion campaign. Strachan resigned, Mowbray had almost 10 months of poor results before he was sacked. Karanka walked out once and wasn't sacked and had clearly lost the dressing room when he went. He clearly struggled to stay level headed when things didn't go well. There was clearly more problems behind the scenes with Gary Monk. Pulis was given till the end of his contract. Woodgate was given over three quarters of the season and was in the relegation zone when he was sacked. Warnock was given one full season and was set to retire at he end of the season he went. Wilder had lost the dressing room and the fans, and had been linked to every job that was going.

He's clearly not someone who panics and sacks managers. Only Strachan, Monk, Woodgate and Wilder didn't get to complete one full season. And Strachan, Woodgate and Wilder had the majority of at least one season as manager of the club.

Gibson will only let Carrick go if the fans totally turn on him or we're where Woodgate had us in the last few months of the season. And in those circumstances you have to throw football ideals out of the window. You bring in experience and get them to do whatever it takes to avoid relegation. It's clear that Monk, Woodgate, Wilder and Carrick have similar football ideals. In times that were seen as an emergency, were replaced with experience.
 
If carrick goes it will be gibsons fault for not backing him. Footballs moved on gibson is stuck in the last century
 
rbmfc1985 said:
Gibson doesn't usually make changes in a rash manner. Warnock is the only one that I think was quick and ill thought through. I presume because Wilder/his agent said if they didn't bring him in now, he'd be going somewhere else. But:

Robson/Mclaren were given over a decade between them. Southgate was not sacked immediately after relegation and was given a chance to lead a promotion campaign. Strachan resigned, Mowbray had almost 10 months of poor results before he was sacked. Karanka walked out once and wasn't sacked and had clearly lost the dressing room when he went. He clearly struggled to stay level headed when things didn't go well. There was clearly more problems behind the scenes with Gary Monk. Pulis was given till the end of his contract. Woodgate was given over three quarters of the season and was in the relegation zone when he was sacked. Warnock was given one full season and was set to retire at he end of the season he went. Wilder had lost the dressing room and the fans, and had been linked to every job that was going.

He's clearly not someone who panics and sacks managers. Only Strachan, Monk, Woodgate and Wilder didn't get to complete one full season. And Strachan, Woodgate and Wilder had the majority of at least one season as manager of the club.

Gibson will only let Carrick go if the fans totally turn on him or we're where Woodgate had us in the last few months of the season.
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I didn't mean that he sacks managers before they deserve it, I meant that whenever we take a new direction, something that needs time and commitment he will bin it off before it even gets going.

We finally got a DoF with Victor Orta and started looking abroad for better value players, obviously it didn't work out but instead of tweaking it we launched everything out the window, got rid of all the people who couldn't speak English and spent a fortune on crap British players for the next couple of years.

Then we had the Woodgate project, the Ajax model is what we heard, we are going to try and play good football by signing young talent and developing our own. Also got off to a poor start but instead of getting a young progressive manager in to work with these players once we sacked Woodgate, we go on to Warnock, the absolute opposite of anything to do with an Ajax model. Warnock should have been binned off at the end of that season when he kept us up.
 
Chappy112 said:
I didn't mean that he sacks managers before they deserve it, I meant that whenever we take a new direction, something that needs time and commitment he will bin it off before it even gets going.

We finally got a DoF with Victor Orta and started looking abroad for better value players, obviously it didn't work out but instead of tweaking it we launched everything out the window, got rid of all the people who couldn't speak English and spent a fortune on crap British players for the next couple of years.

Then we had the Woodgate project, the Ajax model is what we heard, we are going to try and play good football by signing young talent and developing our own. Also got off to a poor start but instead of getting a young progressive manager in to work with these players once we sacked Woodgate, we go on to Warnock, the absolute opposite of anything to do with an Ajax model. Warnock should have been binned off at the end of that season when he kept us up.
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Warnock was kept on because we'd almost gone down and nobody knew what was going to happen with Covid. It's impossible to follow the Ajax model when you can't send scouts abroad (or even across the country at times) to watch players.

The minute everything was back to normal, we picked straight back up with the same model. And then we worked to find a manager who would buy in to that philosophy. We thought it was Wilder, it wasn't, so we went with Carrick.

Even if we bring in a manager who doesn't fit that playing philosophy when we need to get results. It's clear that we've never stopped building the club towards that ideal.
 
And I liked Warnock, and I think he should have stayed till the end of that season. But the reason he went was because we were till pushing towards the same goals we had with Woodgate.
 
Muttley said:
Which is what I'm saying, we can't keep doing that and we as fans need to buy in to a more long term project. The honeymoon may be over but that doesn't mean we get divorced just yet.
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I think there are plenty of sensible fans around who whilst worried about the start are not throwing toys out of the pram just yet and demanding a change in the manager. Obviously there will be one or two who would do that every time the team goes on a bad run and patience is at a premium sadly these days. And that goes for those in charge of the Club and not just the fans.
 
Problem is team is too weak kneed and lacks leadership. Today’s performance was abject, ok we had some good moves here and there but we just seem to lose focus and of course today— discipline.
 
Expat Smoggie said:
Problem is team is too weak kneed and lacks leadership. Today’s performance was abject, ok we had some good moves here and there but we just seem to lose focus and of course today— discipline.
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When all you buy is projects you dont get leaders
 
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LeeMiller said:
Wilder living it up on 5Live
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Easy to call the shots when you’re not manager.. let’s see where we are after 11 games and if we’re on less than 10 points.. then Wilder can enter the conversation.

Did he mention Nathan Wood by any chance?
 
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