newyddion
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How many did we concede under Wilder?
The Goalkeeping Situation
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coluka
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Steffen did improve in the last few months. To be fair he was clearly carrying an injury, for how long I don’t know. His improvement was when he started actually to catch crosses rather than wafting a punch. He was particularly weak at the near post, and his concentration at corners was not great. His stats show he wasn’t in the top few keepers. Stats don’t provide the full picture mind. His distribution did improve and he made some decent saves too particularly post Christmas. I’d give him a 6/10 overall because his drawing in of strikers to enable us to play out was very good. Randolph and Schwarzer were far better all round keepers imho. For me, too much was made of his distribution at times. I know most disagree on that point, but he definitely gradually improved his all round game post World Cup, I also think some of the defenders and on occasion midfielders let him down and were not always expecting a pass, wrongly making Steffen look like he’d made a mistake
That said the number of goals conceded for me, was mainly due to the opposition playing the channels as Giles and Smith pushed up leaving acres of space behind and Lenihan and McNair covering big areas and getting drawn out of position on breaks following our overloads and losing possession high up the pitch. This left space for pacy opponents to utilise and create chances as we often scrambled to get back. There were a lot of 2 v 2 moments and the odd outnumbered time too.
Our attacking style was always going to leave gaps and left us vulnerable at times but more often than not we were clinical at the right end. My point therefore is Steffen and his defence was often left exposed. Our lack of height meant we were also vulnerable at set pieces and poor on our own. Steffen whilst had his moments (see Chairs goal at the Riverside), but the goals conceded issue was more to do with style of play and lack of height and our full back defensive weaknesses being targeted and CB’s being over exposed as the season wore on. Other recollections may vary.
Johngannonsunderpants
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But Darren Randolph's distribution wasn't in the same league as Steffan yet rarely was it criticised.
The distribution aspect is most important. If we get someone with as good or better distribution I'm not massively fussed on how good they are at corners or shot stopping.
coluka
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You aren’t fussed about a goalie being any good at shot stopping or on crosses, so long as he can distribute a ball well? Seriously? We might as well play Barlaser there then shall we?
Redwurzel
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Some good points Coluka - I agree our ful backs pushed up alot at times. but there were also a lot of goals conceded that were not from opposition breaks. For example - All the Huddersfield goals? (4) All the goals against QPR (4) All the Burnley goals (5) OK most were not keeper areas neither, but some Steffan could have done better overrall. Giles gets a lot of priase on here but some of his defending was not good enough, say away at Burnley.
Corners was interesting - we very rarely scored from one, but seemed to let a good few in (even though we had a big plus goal difference). Burnley, Huddersfield, QPR, Hull, Wigan come to mind immediately.
My gut feeling last season was some of the goals we let it could have been prevented by a side looking for promotion. Steffan was not the major cause of the problem but he was part of it.
Corners was interesting - we very rarely scored from one, but seemed to let a good few in (even though we had a big plus goal difference). Burnley, Huddersfield, QPR, Hull, Wigan come to mind immediately.
My gut feeling last season was some of the goals we let it could have been prevented by a side looking for promotion. Steffan was not the major cause of the problem but he was part of it.
Priv
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Alot of praise for Dieng above, everytIme I’ve seen him play he’s been more Joe Lumley like than anything else. Not keen on him at all and I can see our fan base turning on him very quickly. A lot of them Chastised Stefan but he’s vastly superior to dieng and their will be meltdowns all over when he starts making mistakes.
Diego
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Dieng has had a couple of bad games but I have watched him perform excellently too. I think as permanent signings go at championship level it’s a great signing. I think he will prove to be a real hit here, he’s not who I was expecting us to sign but think it’s a great little bit of business.
You’re right about Steffen though. He was excellent for us and wrongly criticised at times
Johngannonsunderpants
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Not that fussed. Would an in their prime Stephen Pears or Mark Schwazer (the best keepers I've seen for us) get in this Michael Carrick side? Absolutely not. But would Jason Steele get in it (not good on crosses) of course he would.
The 2 main attributes for a keeper under our style of play is distribution and concentration. How many games was Steffan man of the match? Not many.
Barlaser isn't a keeper so that would just be ridiculous
.Johngannonsunderpants
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Think Glovers highlights prove my point. More highlights of his distribution than shots or crosses.
He seems a tough lad as well.
Johngannonsunderpants
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I also apologise for having a far greater understanding of the game then you, but as I'm not very good at articulating it I may have confused you.
The game has moved on over the last few years and if Peter Shilton was 28 he'd possibly have played at no higher level than the northern league.