The FMTTM experts got what they want.

norfolkngood said:
This thread has developed since you expressed an opening opinion, and has succeeded in identifying what the problem was last night - a lack of wingbacks for the first hour.
Once Bola came on and Tav moved to the RWB we tore them apart. who the chosen two forwards are was immaterial. Effectively Wilder picked the wrong set up.

And to say that we shouldn't count not scoring against Chelsea because they are a good side and Fulham aren't just shows what a numbnut you are.
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Good grief Numnut, on the Little Tory scale of insults that doesn't make the grade. You must try harder.
 
Same_as_before said:
I agree on wing backs but this thread us about the no all's know all's saying for months that Wilder has been playing the wrong two upfront. He wasn't.


Have you changed your mind again on how Gibson is running MFC, is it badly this week or is your original assessment of him not knowing what he was doing still your position?
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I've already answered you recently re Gibson.
Here goes again:
Gibson transformed the club with energy, drive, ambition and pride from taking over as Chairman in 93. He brought us top flight football, international players, a new stadium, training facilities, our first trophy and two consecutive seasons in Europe.
What he did post relegation in 2009 was even more significant as he literally paid for the seismic holes in our finance.
My criticism - which still stands - is not for his commitment, but the key decisions he made from 2016-2020 where I think he horribly got things wrong. Prem budget and spending, Agnew, Monk, pulis, Woodgate
As I have repeatedly said, without him guaranteeing the debt his decisions in part drove, we would be done.
Since 2020 he has got the big calls absolutely spot on IMHO.
He is the most significant figure in the history of our club.

As for the two up front, we beat Utd and Spurs with Sporar and Watmore starting and had a stunning December beating quality teams with them up front.
Last night we had no wing backs on the pitch until an hour. When we did we looked very dangerous against the league's best team, with them up front.
We missed Jones last night, not Connolly and Balogun.
For the record, I believe Balogun is coming on well and has real quality. I don't see it at all in Connolly.
 
So basically he ran the club badly for 4 years. We disagree.

He made, in hindsight, bad managerial choices, as have Man U, Leeds, Everton, Crewe Alexander, Torquay United, Sunderland, Newcastle, Marks and Spencer, Baring bank,
 
Same_as_before said:
Do you still think it's badly run?
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Do I think what is badly run? The club? No It appears Gibbo has realised the club needed structure managerial talent, and a credible senior football man - Scott-and we are now behaving like a professional club should as opposed to a homespun club that showed dictator- type tendencies.

And by the way, I agreed with 50% of your opening post. Balogun should have played. Connelly? Still not 100% sure about him
 
Same_as_before said:
So basically he ran the club badly for 4 years. We disagree.

He made, in hindsight, bad managerial choices, as have Man U, Leeds, Everton, Crewe Alexander, Torquay United, Sunderland, Newcastle, Marks and Spencer, Baring bank,
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You see if you keep stating things out of context, I will correct and have corrected it.
In fact I've done it twice for you now in recent threads re the exact same point.
There was absolutely no reason for you to bring it up again.

Either you are just looking for conflict with me, or are really struggling just now.

You are right about one thing my old fruit; we seem to disagree.
 
Off it all these champo managers on here 🤣🤣 banging on about watmore and sporar starting over balogun and connolly, get beat and now saying wilder picked the wrong front two 🤣🤣
 
indeedido said:
You see if you keep stating things out of context, I will correct and have corrected it.
In fact I've done it twice for you now in recent threads re the exact same point.
There was absolutely no reason for you to bring it up again.

Either you are just looking for conflict with me, or are really struggling just now.

You are right about one thing my old fruit; we seem to disagree.
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In basic terms I never thought we were badly run, you do. We had bad managers but you only know that in hindsight. Running a football club the decisions are made before their effect.

I told you my opinion on subsidiary accounts, not worth the paper they are written on.

E.g. at today's date do you make an asset of Spence's value or wait until it's sold?
 
Same_as_before said:
In basic terms I never thought we were badly run, you do. We had bad managers but you only know that in hindsight. Running a football club the decisions are made before their effect.

I told you my opinion on subsidiary accounts, not worth the paper they are written on.

E.g. at today's date do you make an asset of Spence's value or wait until it's sold?
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You seem obsessed with my posts.
Spence is not an asset to be shown on the Football Club Balance Sheet. He has no Book value.
He does however have a high market value and is an opportunity for a huge profit on disposal for a future P&L.
Football clubs get in big trouble trying to value players at market value on their Balance Sheet.
It is not standard practise.
Subsidiary Accounts are informative, but not definitive/ exhaustive.

I think Gibson made a balls of the big calls from 2016-20.
Make of that what you will. But I will keep correcting you when you try to mislead people about what I have actually posted.
 
Boro999 said:
Off it all these champo managers on here 🤣🤣 banging on about watmore and sporar starting over balogun and connolly, get beat and now saying wilder picked the wrong front two 🤣🤣
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Read what you’ve posted again and try and make sense of it.
 
norfolkngood said:
This thread has developed since you expressed an opening opinion, and has succeeded in identifying what the problem was last night - a lack of wingbacks for the first hour.
Once Bola came on and Tav moved to the RWB we tore them apart. who the chosen two forwards are was immaterial. Effectively Wilder picked the wrong set up.

And to say that we shouldn't count not scoring against Chelsea because they are a good side and Fulham aren't just shows what a numbnut you are.
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I’m not too sure if CW got the selection exactly right but I think most will probably agree that he picked a team not to lose.
 
indeedido said:
You seem obsessed with my posts.
Spence is not an asset to be shown on the Football Club Balance Sheet. He has no Book value.
He does however have a high market value and is an opportunity for a huge profit on disposal for a future P&L.
Football clubs get in big trouble trying to value players at market value on their Balance Sheet.
It is not standard practise.
Subsidiary Accounts are informative, but not definitive/ exhaustive.

I think Gibson made a balls of the big calls from 2016-20.
Make of that what you will. But I will keep correcting you when you try to mislead people about what I have actually posted.
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I agree with all of that even he made bad calls. Where we differ is the timing, it's in hindsight.


Pulis was the exception the judge told the world what he was, we should have listened.


Like you I worked in a top 250 plc. Brilliantly run until they brought in the wrong FD. We only knew in hindsight. His credentials were second to none, but the wrong choice. That did not make the company badly run.
 
Same_as_before said:
I agree with all of that even he made bad calls. Where we differ is the timing, it's in hindsight.


Pulis was the exception the judge told the world what he was, we should have listened.


Like you I worked in a top 250 plc. Brilliantly run until they brought in the wrong FD. We only knew in hindsight. His credentials were second to none, but the wrong choice. That did not make the company badly run.
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I can't agree with you that appointing Agnew and letting Monk make so many purchases were good decisions. The key position at any club is that of manager. If you get those decisions wrong and the clubs falls away on and off the pitch then it's being badly ran.

If your company's FD is poor and he has the clout that a FD should have then yes your company will be badly ran in many ways.
 
Same_as_before said:
I agree with all of that even he made bad calls. Where we differ is the timing, it's in hindsight.


Pulis was the exception the judge told the world what he was, we should have listened.


Like you I worked in a top 250 plc. Brilliantly run until they brought in the wrong FD. We only knew in hindsight. His credentials were second to none, but the wrong choice. That did not make the company badly run.
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The biggest calls a CEO makes are the people he employs directly. If the Chief Exec hires a bad FD, then that is a really bad decision that will significantly impact the performance and culture within the business. The CEO is complicit.
Steve Gibson was a great leader for over 20 years, but he made shocking decisions over a 4 year period 2016-20. They were his decisions, nobody else's.
He has financially supported the club though some perilous times and deserves our respect and gratitude for doing that - and giving us those times from 93-08.
I am delighted he is making good key decisions again since 2020 and that the Club can look to a future where he does not have to bankroll failure year after year, as he has largely done every year since 2009.
 
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