The eternal tyranny of the business suit...

equaliser

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...will it ever end? I just caught a photo of Biden and Netanyahu in their matching blue suits (what is it about blue ones for politicians?) and their attire, not for the first time, struck me as ridiculous. Along with its absurd accompaniment, the tie, I think for people high up in organisations the suit is a kind of armour, an emblem of seriousness. For politicians you could say that the public demands it, it's showing respects to those who elected them to turn up smart, looking as if they mean business, blah, blah, blah.

It's still a costume though, and a stupid and random one. That's the way I thought of it the last time I wore a suit, for my wedding three years ago: dressing up. When I was young that's what it was too. I remember turning up at Gaskins nightclub in a zoot suit I'd bought from Rock-a-Cha in Kensington Market. In those days, me and my friends would scour second-hand shops and vintage stores for old suits - difficult to find many for me because I'm so lanky. But in those days it felt like playing, and we were referencing eras - the 40s/50s/60s - where the styles of suits were still a thing. They were still cool. Now the suit is just tired, a uniform of the bland.

For my work in an FE college, there is no official dress code, but unspoken expectations persist, depending on department. I'd never wear a suit, but I can't quite dare to fully ease out of the smart/casual look: smart-ish trousers, some sort of collar on the shirt. The main goal is to finally eliminate the need for that most futile, deathly, timewasting activity, ironing.

I'd never wear a suit though, Nowadays, if you wear a suit, you're a company man or an out-and-out poseur.
 
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Nah, I like a suit.
I shamelessly copied Bryan Ferry's suit from the Jealous Guy video for my cousins wedding. Used to like going down town of a Saturday night fully suited and booted.


“All Motown brothers wore suits. Neat. Dignified. You’ll play better in your suit.”

For me, Joey The Lips was right.
 
Yes, they'd look much better in the favoured grey tracksuit bottoms and hoodie of today. Accompanied by their wife in leggings and slippers
I'd like to think there was a happy medium :)

I'm all for comfortable clothing as rule. Schools these days appear to be turning back the clock, mandating clumpy leather shoes, blazers (an item in the grown-up world not worn by anyone under 70), A-line skirts for girls. It's another front in the Culture War - against the 60s-inflected permissiveness that gave us comprehensive schools - leading to snowflake, 'gender-fluid' kids etc etc.

However, the modern-day 'Masters of the Universe' (in Tom Wolfe's phrase) are in Silicon Valley, wearing sweatshirts and 'sneakers'.
 
Nah, I like a suit.
I shamelessly copied Bryan Ferry's suit from the Jealous Guy video for my cousins wedding. Used to like going down town of a Saturday night fully suited and booted.


“All Motown brothers wore suits. Neat. Dignified. You’ll play better in your suit.”

For me, Joey The Lips was right.
Yeah, but that's different; that's 'dressing up'. I get that.

I'd love to see a politician not wear a suit and tie in Parliament, but force people to take him seriously because of the sheer persuasiveness of his speaking.
 
I don't actually own a suit.......had one but, kind of ...outgrew it 😬😬

I now own one tie. Two if you count a dicky bow.

Absolutely hate formal dress, but each to their own. Also hate the designer tracksuit culture. There's a smart casual compromise in between imo.

Lucky my work have a casual (but don't take the p*ss) dress code. Smart t-shirts, shirts, trainers...works for me👍
 
Yeah, but that's different; that's 'dressing up'. I get that.

I'd love to see a politician not wear a suit and tie in Parliament, but force people to take him seriously because of the sheer persuasiveness of his speaking.

Like Zelenskyy. I've been on this train for the last 50 years, which is the last time i was (forced) to wear a suit and tie.
 
Like Zelenskyy. I've been on this train for the last 50 years, which is the last time i was (forced) to wear a suit and tie.
Good for you. Interesting comparison though because I believe that Zelensky was originally a comedian/actor who became a politician as a result of a reality TV show. Seems that's the only way you get to buck the trend - be a novelty outlier
 
I remember in a previous job, years ago, they made us wear suit and tie.

It's horrific, I didn't stay very long and whilst there I think I made Boris Johnson look smart. Top two buttons open, tie on very loosely, shirt untucked.

I would have looked smarter in jeans and t-shirt which is what I told anyone that asked.

Thankfully the world has mostly caught up now and sees the suit as the ridiculous cage that it is.

I don't like suits.
 
I never get a chance to wear a suit. Weddings , funerals are all informal these days. I haven't had to wear a suit for work since the last century and even in the City nobody wears a tie any more.
 
Offices have changed loads since I first started working in 98. Shirts, ties and trousers were standard then. Plenty wore suits but as a young kid of 18 that never interested me. By about 2008 lots of people ditched the tie but still wore shirt and trousers. Nothing wrong with that I think.

When I worked in Norway 2013/2014 it was surprising how many people just worse jeans, t-shirts and trainers at work. I don’t think the typical British office for a big company will ever go fully Norwegian in that respect.
 
Good for you. Interesting comparison though because I believe that Zelensky was originally a comedian/actor who became a politician as a result of a reality TV show. Seems that's the only way you get to buck the trend - be a novelty outlier
He was, but I suppose a lot of politicians, bar those born with a silver spoon in their mouth, were occupied in some other domain before becoming a politician. What most lack is the courage of their convictions and determination to buck the trend.

Things are slowly changing, but it has taken my lifetime to get to the point where a politician might now appear in an unbuttoned shirt. The next step might be to question why they are wearing a shirt with a collar. Baby steps.
 
I used to have to / was expected to wear a suit for work. I have always hated wearing a tie since school really. Nowadays I wear a tie at hatch, match and despatch events only and sometimes that will be a full suit. Even then I cannot wait to take it off and will shed the tie and jacket at the first opportunity. I still have the habit of changing out of my "work clothes" as soon as I get in from work even though it is only a branded polo shirt.
 
I'd like to think there was a happy medium :)

I'm all for comfortable clothing as rule. Schools these days appear to be turning back the clock, mandating clumpy leather shoes, blazers (an item in the grown-up world not worn by anyone under 70), A-line skirts for girls. It's another front in the Culture War - against the 60s-inflected permissiveness that gave us comprehensive schools - leading to snowflake, 'gender-fluid' kids etc etc.

However, the modern-day 'Masters of the Universe' (in Tom Wolfe's phrase) are in Silicon Valley, wearing sweatshirts and 'sneakers'.
In the school I worked in on none uniform days the attendance would drop and it would be those who could not afford the latest designer clothes, trainers, etc. that would be missing.

I don't think you have really thought this out.
 
In the school I worked in on none uniform days the attendance would drop and it would be those who could not afford the latest designer clothes, trainers, etc. that would be missing.

I don't think you have really thought this out.
On the contrary: I agree with school uniform. I just think it should be comfortable: trainers, joggers, sweatshirts, that sort of thing. Who wears stiff leather shoes out of choice? Blazers, ties?
 
In the school I worked in on none uniform days the attendance would drop and it would be those who could not afford the latest designer clothes, trainers, etc. that would be missing.

I don't think you have really thought this out.
That's a good point, one which I agree with kids wearing school uniform (even in Primary school)👍
 
Last time I wore a suit ........

For an interview, put the suit on, looking smart.....or so I thought. At the time I'd lost a couple of stone so lot of clothes didn't fit.

So wife comes in, looks at me and tells me I look like a kid first day at secondary school with blazer/pants/shirt all too big. Massive confidence boost.......😭😭

Didn't get the job 😳
 
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