The end?
- Thread starter borolad259
- Start date
johnsmithsno2
Well-known member
Take your eye off this thread for a couple of days and there's War and Peace to read when you get back (pun intended). We're well in to page 101 and I've only just reached the tonne. Glad we're not going to be tested on all this, some of it is a bit whooosh on me!
The Ruthsayer
Well-known member
True indeed. I remember (a long time ago) my history A level, where the phrase ‘status quo ante bellum’ was frequently used.
Yes, just as it was, apart from all the dead.
Exactly this.
Unfortunately the Russian leadership has been in some disarray and seems unconcerned by the levels of mortality and suffering that it is inflicting upon its own people, let alone the Ukrainians.
Hap
Well-known member
It has been a diary of The End of Eastern Europe as we've known it for the last 25 years.
I think we're either in for another year followed by total Russian collapse (we don't want them pushed to the brink really, and who knows what will occupy the power vacuum created by that), or a sudden Ukraine break through on newly dried out ground, followed by a Russian stampede to the negotiating table. I don't see a third outcome myself.
A short one
"
Russia has cancelled their offensives in Vuhledar and in Zhaporizhzhia due to having lost against the weather.
This is a new excuse.
Well, unless "weather" is an euphemism for crushing artillery rain and Ukrainian fire on the ground...
I guess we can call this a "goodwill gesture".
Massive reinforcements have arrived in Bakhmut to stabilize the frontline, even for Bakhmut the fighting has reached a level not before seen as major elements of Ukraine and Russia are now involved in the fighting for the first time in the war.
Initially it is said to look good for the Ukrainians with Girkin crying to high heavens.
Over in Kherson, Hola Prystan to be exact, an entire artillery brigade are firing from the Ukrainian side and a Force Recon Battalion have crossed the Dnipro. This is confirmed through pictures and geo-locationing.
It is early days, but this might be a serious attempt by Ukraine to take a bridgehead.
Satelite imagery indicated that more units are staged to follow up if it is succesful.
In general a single attack like this should not be able to take a bridgehead, normally you do at least 3 similar sized attacks at the same time in different areas.
But, boats and barges are in limited supply, so it might be that Ukraine is planning to do breakthrough attempts sequentially instead and just try to barge through at a weak spot.
Judging from the amount of Russian soldiers, and the amount of firepower, this is a serious enough attack to possibly be able to breakthrough as more units cross the river.
I will follow this attack very closely.
I am though surprised at the ferocity of the attack, and that Ukraine are using their best force recon battalion like this, it shows high intentions.
Oh my, I wrote a short one for once."
"
Russia has cancelled their offensives in Vuhledar and in Zhaporizhzhia due to having lost against the weather.
This is a new excuse.
Well, unless "weather" is an euphemism for crushing artillery rain and Ukrainian fire on the ground...
I guess we can call this a "goodwill gesture".
Massive reinforcements have arrived in Bakhmut to stabilize the frontline, even for Bakhmut the fighting has reached a level not before seen as major elements of Ukraine and Russia are now involved in the fighting for the first time in the war.
Initially it is said to look good for the Ukrainians with Girkin crying to high heavens.
Over in Kherson, Hola Prystan to be exact, an entire artillery brigade are firing from the Ukrainian side and a Force Recon Battalion have crossed the Dnipro. This is confirmed through pictures and geo-locationing.
It is early days, but this might be a serious attempt by Ukraine to take a bridgehead.
Satelite imagery indicated that more units are staged to follow up if it is succesful.
In general a single attack like this should not be able to take a bridgehead, normally you do at least 3 similar sized attacks at the same time in different areas.
But, boats and barges are in limited supply, so it might be that Ukraine is planning to do breakthrough attempts sequentially instead and just try to barge through at a weak spot.
Judging from the amount of Russian soldiers, and the amount of firepower, this is a serious enough attack to possibly be able to breakthrough as more units cross the river.
I will follow this attack very closely.
I am though surprised at the ferocity of the attack, and that Ukraine are using their best force recon battalion like this, it shows high intentions.
Oh my, I wrote a short one for once."
Not 100% sure I should post this, but ...
"The ongoing storming of Hola Prystan and the attack on Oleshky that just begun answers quite definitely the question of who is in control of the Islands in the Stream.
Without control it is just not possible to do amphibeous assaults and bridging operations across the Dnipro.
It also seems like the Russians have made a huge strategic error with tactical implications.
It seems like they have removed to much troops from Kherson into the attacks at Zhaporizhzhia and in Vuhledar.
The level of stupidity at comman level is incredible, after weeks of Ukrainian artillery missions and special operations attacks it is hilarious that they removed the soldiers.
Either the commander is a kretin, or he really wanted to loose as badly as possible.
The units involved says that this is seriously intended.
It is the Force Recon Brigade, 46th International Brigade & the Azov Brigade that is doing the assault together with naval units.
Behind them are two tank brigades, and they are supported by 4 artillery brigades now.
In other words, two divisions worth committed is telling of Ukraine doing at least a very strong effort into grabbing two good bridgeheads.
As I went through the maps once more I noticed that these are the only two places with good access to roads and that they would be good logistics hub for a push towards Crimea.
I honestly do not understand how Russia could leave the back door open to Crimea like this...
I know that Russians are bad at crossing rivers, and it seems like they just assumed that Ukraine could not do what they can't, even though Ukraine has proven that they are very good at bridging rivers.
Anyway, it is early days, and Ukraine are not talking about what is happening, I had to cheat to get the info.
Heck, they have not even declared that they had taken the islands.
I hope this works so that they do not have to try again later, even with few Russians holding the beaches this will have been costly to the extreme for Ukraine.
I positively hate amphibeous assaults."
"The ongoing storming of Hola Prystan and the attack on Oleshky that just begun answers quite definitely the question of who is in control of the Islands in the Stream.
Without control it is just not possible to do amphibeous assaults and bridging operations across the Dnipro.
It also seems like the Russians have made a huge strategic error with tactical implications.
It seems like they have removed to much troops from Kherson into the attacks at Zhaporizhzhia and in Vuhledar.
The level of stupidity at comman level is incredible, after weeks of Ukrainian artillery missions and special operations attacks it is hilarious that they removed the soldiers.
Either the commander is a kretin, or he really wanted to loose as badly as possible.
The units involved says that this is seriously intended.
It is the Force Recon Brigade, 46th International Brigade & the Azov Brigade that is doing the assault together with naval units.
Behind them are two tank brigades, and they are supported by 4 artillery brigades now.
In other words, two divisions worth committed is telling of Ukraine doing at least a very strong effort into grabbing two good bridgeheads.
As I went through the maps once more I noticed that these are the only two places with good access to roads and that they would be good logistics hub for a push towards Crimea.
I honestly do not understand how Russia could leave the back door open to Crimea like this...
I know that Russians are bad at crossing rivers, and it seems like they just assumed that Ukraine could not do what they can't, even though Ukraine has proven that they are very good at bridging rivers.
Anyway, it is early days, and Ukraine are not talking about what is happening, I had to cheat to get the info.
Heck, they have not even declared that they had taken the islands.
I hope this works so that they do not have to try again later, even with few Russians holding the beaches this will have been costly to the extreme for Ukraine.
I positively hate amphibeous assaults."
Decent_Left
Well-known member
I followed this lad when he was fighting ISIS in Syria and he popped up again in the 131 Seperate Recon Brigade in Ukraine and this is what he had to say about South Kherson this week which ties in with the above
Brave fella. His battalion led the way into Holaprystan. Great to know that they all got back safe.
Smoggle
Well-known member
Interesting twitter thread on potential assassination attempt on a Prigozhin ally…
Edit- initial tweet in thread was deleted so linked second instead.
Edit- initial tweet in thread was deleted so linked second instead.
Last edited:
Subbuteo_171
Well-known member
‘We killed three Russians’: the secretive Ukrainian special forces taking the fight across the border
Kyiv and western governments deny they exist, but saboteurs say they are striking Russia on its soil with the help of its people
www.theguardian.com
I assume there are special forces on both sides doing very similar things.
Almost a year into the war, barring some unknown game changer or negotiations with settlement no end in sight. All that’s been achieved is staggering loss of life.
I think there is a real risk that western support will waiver if this war goes on long enough, which is what Putin is looking for.
We know the economic impact it is having and we could soon get to the point of countries compromising their own security if they continue to supply military equipment.
The Republican Party in America has a different view on American support and NATO member Turkey is reportedly supplying hardware to Russia, along with China.
It’s not to hard to see splits being fashioned.
We know the economic impact it is having and we could soon get to the point of countries compromising their own security if they continue to supply military equipment.
The Republican Party in America has a different view on American support and NATO member Turkey is reportedly supplying hardware to Russia, along with China.
It’s not to hard to see splits being fashioned.
h_m_boro
Well-known member
Being cynical, I don't think the western support will waiver......due to the carrot being dangled at the end of the war.
The rebuilding of Ukraine will be worth $$$$$ billions. Russia sliding into a kind of lawless gangster run state (where $$$ rules) will be very appealing to capitalist vultures swooping in to make their dirty money.
And then there are the monies being made from the arms companies - longer the war, more military hardware needed, profits shoot up. Like the old saying goes, economy struggling - start a war.
Sadly, once the war is finished, $$$$$ will be the driving force not the rebuilding of Ukraine for humanitarian/ social reasons. Neoliberalism runs rife. On steroids.
Just my cynical opinion which I hope turns out to be total bollox.
You could be right.
Just hearing from him, Russian sub detected outside Gothenburg.
Pinged by a Swedish sub with open torpedo tubes.
Russian sub with missile hatches open.
Patriot systems armed.
Innit great how this **** goes on without us having an inkling!
Pinged by a Swedish sub with open torpedo tubes.
Russian sub with missile hatches open.
Patriot systems armed.
Innit great how this **** goes on without us having an inkling!
Druss_The_Legend
Well-known member
That's scary, from that position even a lower range missile that the Russian Subs carry could hit pretty much any capital in Europe.
What are the implications of the sub having its hatches open?
And which countries patriot systems have been activated? Or is it pretty much all have been put on high alert?
changingman
Well-known member
This would suggest it's a Swedish system which has been moved to the port area?
www.gp.se
Luftvärnssystemet Patriot används i Göteborg
Under måndagen inleder Försvarsmakten en beredskapsoperation i Göteborg, där luftvärnssystemet Patriot för första gången ska användas i Sverige. – Vi har inte planerat några övningsskjutningar med systemet i Göteborgsområdet, säger Fredrik Stålberg, ställföreträdande chef för operationsledningen.
www.gp.se