Tesla drivers…

[Raul]

I had a long range model 3

Loved the acceleration but that’s it

The infrastructure in the UK isn’t set up for electric cars yet

Cruise control would cut out on the motorway all the time when over taking thinking a car was in my lane

I live in high rise flats in Manchester and range anxiety and time spent charging was a huge issue as I’m unable to get a charging point at home

Driving back to Teesside meant I’d drop the car of at a charger then get a taxi to my parents which was a nightmare!

 

[BoroMart]

Any hobbies Mart?

winding you up haha

Of course I do, but guitars don't really have utility in every day life to non-guitar enthusiasts, a car does.

 

[BoroMart]

Do you know everything about everything?

not yet, but I'm trying to. I apologise for having an opinion.

 

[Andy_W]

Sound, smell, connection to the road, how the car drives with and without driver's side.

For example one of the best cars I've ever driven was a Vauxhall Nova SRi. No power steering, no ABS, no traction control, weighed the same as a tin of beans and was rapid. Another of my favourite cars I've driven was a Nissan Skyline R35 GTR. Did a few laps with the driver aids on and once I was comfortable driving it turned them off.

Thing is you're comparing that Nova SRi based on nostalgia, compared to what was around at the time, and probably what other cars you had driven, which probably wasn't many back then (wasn't for me)? I drove a car without power steering for about half a mile about 10 years ago, and it was like going back to the horse and cart, it was horrible.

The SRi was 0-60 in about 10 seconds, about 30mpg, 100hp and pretty much a guaranteed death if you crashed at any sort of speed. If anything like that came out in the last 20 years, never mind now, without the Nova SRi badge, everyone would be saying it was a pile of junk.

Very good for the time, awful by today's standards, whether as a "drivers" car, or electric car.

 

[Laughing]

Thing is you're comparing that Nova SRi based on nostalgia, compared to what was around at the time, and probably what other cars you had driven, which probably wasn't many back then (wasn't for me)? I drove a car without power steering for about half a mile about 10 years ago, and it was like going back to the horse and cart, it was horrible.

The SRi was 0-60 in about 10 seconds, about 30mpg, 100hp and pretty much a guaranteed death if you crashed at any sort of speed. If anything like that came out in the last 20 years, never mind now, without the Nova SRi badge, everyone would be saying it was a pile of junk.

Very good for the time, awful by today's standards.

To be fair, loads of people have an old classic and love driving them.

Some, just want a car that will get em to work everyday, for others, they enjoy the experience of driving certain cars.

I have an old Spitfire that I use occassionally, I love it 97bhp, spins you off the road in the wet, assuming you can get it started. However on a sunny spring day it is a F***ing joy to drive and I know that it brings joy to others. Everytime I park it I get middle age blokes telling me stories and younger kids asking what it is.

You may not get it, lots of people do.

 

[Andy_W]

To be fair, loads of people have an old classic and love driving them.

Some, just want a car that will get em to work everyday, for others, they enjoy the experience of driving certain cars.

I have an old Spitfire that I use occassionally, I love it 97bhp, spins you off the road in the wet, assuming you can get it started. However on a sunny spring day it is a F***ing joy to drive and I know that it brings joy to others. Everytime I park it I get middle age blokes telling me stories and younger kids asking what it is.

You may not get it, lots of people do.

I get it, but for cars like that it's nostalgia, it's not based on driving performance (not compared to more recent standards anyway). I've had all sorts of cars, and only just sold a Westfield which is about as much of a driver's car as you can get.

What I'm saying is it's probably best to compare today's EV's, with today's current ICE cars, and they're all very, very different to old cars. Most new ICe cars have to meet emissions and noise targets, have soft limiters, have to be safe, most are fairly heavy, nearly all of them have gadgets, more safety systems, more comfort etc.

My 2012 corsa think it was an SRi seemed to have more power than it could put down, it was wild in the wet. It was quite fun, but wouldn't have said that was a drivers car mind, and certainly not a classic, not by a long shot.

My next main car will probably be a petrol 911 and switching back from an EV (and swapping the missus ice for an EV). Effectively thinking 911 as I want to see what all the fuss is about, before the chance goes away (or beyond the time I can get away with it) and also with another eye on the next crop of EV's which will be out in 3 years or so. It's going to cost me a lot more to run the ICE compared to a similar level EV but for now I'm not bothered about that.

 

[Andy_W]

I have an old Spitfire that I use occassionally, I love it 97bhp, spins you off the road in the wet, assuming you can get it started. However on a sunny spring day it is a F***ing joy to drive and I know that it brings joy to others. Everytime I park it I get middle age blokes telling me stories and younger kids asking what it is.

Spitfire is a classic mind, never driven one, but you'll get a good feeling out of that I bet. I wouldn't want to drive that every day mind, but even back then, when it came out, I suppose that wasn't intended be a daily driver.

 

[Laughing]

Spitfire is a classic mind, never driven one, but you'll get a good feeling out of that I bet. I wouldn't want to drive that every day mind, but even back then, when it came out, I suppose that wasn't intended be a daily driver.

They were rubbish even back in the day. You are sitting offset so they are uncomfortable for any length of time. However they have great suspension and a superb chassis that transmits every pebble in the road to your hands.

I have driven a 911 and I know porsche lovers rave about them but I marginally preferred the boxer mainly because of insurance costs and not being worried parking it anywhere. Great cars to drive, both of them.

If you want a proper drivers car go for any tvr. They have no driver aids at all including Air bags and want to kill you on every bend. You will die with a big grin on your face though.

I defy anyone to drive a tvr and not love every oversteer until you get it wrong, of course.

 

[Jedi boro]

not used hands free driving yet

I thought this feature was banned in the uk

 

[Sergio]

We have a BMW.. love it, and i previously would never touch a BMW petrol/diesel car.

No range anxiety at all, can drive from the north east to south west with one 40 min stop in-between and I would have done that anyway for lunch so no different

The comfort and refinement along with the tech is simply fantastic.

We shopped around before choosing and this was the best car for what we needed.

Looked at the following

Lexus- good car range short and bit small for a main family car

Merc EQA/EQC - simply horrible was like driving a bus on mini wheels.

Q4 - lovely car… poor trim levels and long waiting time (12 months when we looked)

Tesla- meh… lots of tech but the car was poor and didn’t give you the fizz

Jag I pace - looks good, drives nice, but the quality is dogs… I opened the door in the show room and the handle came off in my hand… I couldn’t get the passenger rear door to close fully either

sorry but im not having it that all Electric car drivers 'would of stopped for 40 minutes or so' at a services in the past. its a quick pi55 stop, sort supplies and refuel then off again, 10-15mins at best!

 

[Sergio]

I thought this feature was banned in the uk

Its not hands free driving. You have to be there and paying attention and show some resistance of the wheel every 10-15 seconds i believe.

 

[Laughing]

sorry but im not having it that all Electric car drivers 'would of stopped for 40 minutes or so' at a services in the past. its a quick pi55 stop, sort supplies and refuel then off again, 10-15mins at best!

I used to smoke so would stop for a coffee and to smoke a couple of cigs. That would have been enough time to recharge. These days I tend not to stop.

Surely most people stop before 300 miles naturally.

 

[Sergio]

There is a crazy lease deal on the Model Y at the moment. £495 down, £495 a month with 10k. I am a long way from going electric, I currently have 2x 3.0L guzzlers but I seriously considered that deal. The same car and deal was over £700 in October, I cant understand why its so low

 

[Sergio]

I used to smoke so would stop for a coffee and to smoke a couple of cigs. That would have been enough time to recharge. These days I tend not to stop.

Surely most people stop before 300 miles naturally.

I prefer to stop in a layby than go into services unless i NEED too. Drove to and from London a couple of times with no stops. I prefer to just get where i'm going, the thought of a forced 30/40 mins stop just to charge really puts me off. Or turning up to your planned stop and not being able to charge. Plus most of them are ugly. I do like the new BMW iX but the money they want is absolutely ridiculous when you compare what you can get for the same price petrol.

 

[Laughing]

I prefer to stop in a layby than go into services unless i NEED too. Drove to and from London a couple of times with no stops. I prefer to just get where i'm going, the thought of a forced 30/40 mins stop just to charge really puts me off. Or turning up to your planned stop and not being able to charge. Plus most of them are ugly. I do like the new BMW iX but the money they want is absolutely ridiculous when you compare what you can get for the same price petrol.

Many of them are uninteresting to look at. I agree. I do like the lucid air but I ain't paying that money for a car.

 

[Andy_W]

They were rubbish even back in the day. You are sitting offset so they are uncomfortable for any length of time. However they have great suspension and a superb chassis that transmits every pebble in the road to your hands.

I have driven a 911 and I know porsche lovers rave about them but I marginally preferred the boxer mainly because of insurance costs and not being worried parking it anywhere. Great cars to drive, both of them.

If you want a proper drivers car go for any tvr. They have no driver aids at all including Air bags and want to kill you on every bend. You will die with a big grin on your face though.

I defy anyone to drive a tvr and not love every oversteer until you get it wrong, of course.

:LOL: fair enough, some bits good, but in a bad way :LOL:

I had a 718 and that handled probably better than any proper car I've driven, so not including kit cars etc, cracking cars. I think the chassis might be the same on 718's as the new 911's but not sure. Trying to get a drive of a 911, but they've got none available for test drives at the minute, yet they still want me to fork out :LOL: That's the thing with good cars though, even my 718 I was a bit concerned about leaving it anywhere, and it doesn't look that great turning up to a client meeting in a boxter, never mind a 911. Often means I too and fro between something which stands out, and then something subtle, rinse and repeat. Was tempted by the Cayman GT4, but that might have been too hard as a daily driver.

I love TVR's the Cerbera used to be my favourite car as a kid, and I loved the look of the T350, especially the rear. I'm too much of a tech nut now, need all the gadgets and screens etc, now that I've had them, that's what's stopping me getting a 911 pre 991/992.

Hopefully in the next place I'll have a big enough garage for a Sunday car, as well as all of my tools and other gear.

 

[BoroMart]

sorry but im not having it that all Electric car drivers 'would of stopped for 40 minutes or so' at a services in the past. its a quick pi55 stop, sort supplies and refuel then off again, 10-15mins at best!

I regular go from Kent to Durham, it's a 325mile journey, I charge before I set off. I have a pee and grab a coffee and sandwich at Grantham, while I top up for 20 mins. I then have a 10 min splash and dash at Scotch corner to give me juice for the weekend. Then I do the same on the way back. It's an hour tops over the weekend., but when I drove petrol, I would still spend 45-60mins getting petrol and having lunch and peestops anyway.

I also don't go to garages more than 3 times a year (inflate tyres). I save 15mins x 30times a year, or 7.5 hours going to the garage.

 

[Laughing]

:LOL: fair enough, some bits good, but in a bad way :LOL:

I had a 718 and that handled probably better than any proper car I've driven, so not including kit cars etc, cracking cars. I think the chassis might be the same on 718's as the new 911's but not sure. Trying to get a drive of a 911, but they've got none available for test drives at the minute, yet they still want me to fork out :LOL: That's the thing with good cars though, even my 718 I was a bit concerned about leaving it anywhere, and it doesn't look that great turning up to a client meeting in a boxter, never mind a 911. Often means I too and fro between something which stands out, and then something subtle, rinse and repeat. Was tempted by the Cayman GT4, but that might have been too hard as a daily driver.

I love TVR's the Cerbera used to be my favourite car as a kid, and I loved the look of the T350, especially the rear. I'm too much of a tech nut now, need all the gadgets and screens etc, now that I've had them, that's what's stopping me getting a 911 pre 991/992.

Hopefully in the next place I'll have a big enough garage for a Sunday car, as well as all of my tools and other gear.

Buy a good cerebra, check the chassis, they rot. You will never look at a car the same way.

 

[Randy]

Thing is you're comparing that Nova SRi based on nostalgia, compared to what was around at the time, and probably what other cars you had driven, which probably wasn't many back then (wasn't for me)? I drove a car without power steering for about half a mile about 10 years ago, and it was like going back to the horse and cart, it was horrible.

The SRi was 0-60 in about 10 seconds, about 30mpg, 100hp and pretty much a guaranteed death if you crashed at any sort of speed. If anything like that came out in the last 20 years, never mind now, without the Nova SRi badge, everyone would be saying it was a pile of junk.

Very good for the time, awful by today's standards, whether as a "drivers" car, or electric car.

I wasn't comparing it a Tesla as I've never driven a Tesla but I have driven plenty of cars over the years with driver aids through various jobs I've held.

My point wasn't about comparing the two cars it was about driving experiences.

You'll love the 911 though. Drove a 911 Turbo a few years back at a trackday event and when you put your foot down it's like been drop kicked by king kong. Smiles for days.

 

[Andy_W]

I wasn't comparing it a Tesla as I've never driven a Tesla but I have driven plenty of cars over the years with driver aids through various jobs I've held.

My point wasn't about comparing the two cars it was about driving experiences.

You'll love the 911 though. Drove a 911 Turbo a few years back at a trackday event and when you put your foot down it's like been drop kicked by king kong. Smiles for days.

Ah I wasn't on about comparing the Nova to a Tesla, it's not a fair fight anyway, Tesla's are a different price bracket.

I was comparing it more to any other new car, priced similar to how the Nova SRi was, relative to other choices, and the market it's aimed at. Something like the Hyundai i20 N, very cheap (for a new car) and great performance, but will have a thousand things the Nova never had and anyone would prefer to drive that around a track if you take the nostalgia away. Like I say though, for its time, and its price, the SRi was great at who it appealed to.

Haha, don't think I can stretch to a Turbo just yet, and by the time I could they won't be making them any more, not like they used to, or do now. Hopefully I get to drive one though, at some point, they look unreal.

They (all performance cars) will all be hybrids soon (the 2023 Turbo S is going to be a hybrid), to meet emissions or their market will drop 10 fold. I think the 2023 Turbo S is going to be a "standard" 911 engine, but with an added electric motor, rather than upping the engine power. They need the engine down for emissions. They will probably all end up 2ltr, with varying electric motors bolted on. I had been keeping a close eye on it, but lost track recently.

A GTX is my best hope, but would need prices to come down a bit to be able to justify that, but the used car price crash has started, so who knows. I would want to see a big crash though, so I know I'm not going to be the one taking a big hit. Probably a 992 Carrera S would be most likely, and I can't imagine I would be disappointed! I just like how it's a proper sports car, yet I can still get my dogs in the back, or some other bits and bobs. Don't have a need for rear seats for humans, so it looks far away the best choice.