Tav to Bournemouth confirmed

Craggsy2 said:
I still don't understand why he left apart from the money.
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"So Mr Tavernier, what first attracted you to the premier league wage from Bournemouth?" As Mrs Merton would ask. Seriously, there was a good potentially ITK comment somewhere that we had offered him a pay rise and non-promotion release but Tav and/or his advisors reasonably enough decided that if he didn't take the offer from Bournemouth that maybe he would miss his chance. Injuries happen, life happens, there's no guarantee that we would be promoted and no guarantee that a club would be in for him next season. He's only 23 and he's played over 150 games for us; now is probably as good a time to go as any. It's a judgement call and you can't blame him for choosing the offer now rather than waiting another 12 months with all the risks that entails.

From our point of view, there would be reputational damage if we tried to put a deterrent price on him and it's an open secret that we told our best players last year "give us one more year and we won't stand in your way if we don't get promoted." Unlike Levy, Gibson tries to use business to build positive relationships. Us, Bournemouth and Tav undoubtedly feel that we got a reasonable outcome; that will make it easier to do business with Bournemouth in the future and other players will look at that and clock that Gibson does keep his word.

I would rather Tav had stayed but given the circumstances I think we've done ok. Now it's how we reinvest.
 
uncle_rico said:
According to TransferMarkt, the fee was £10.71m. Guess there'd be add-ons too, which could be anything, and will no doubt relate to appearances and Bournemouth staying up.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Marcus Tavernier - Transfer history

Marcus Tavernier, 24, from England ➤ AFC Bournemouth, since 2022 ➤ midfield ➤ Market value: €17.00m ➤ * Mar 22, 1999 in Leeds, England
www.transfermarkt.co.uk www.transfermarkt.co.uk
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tramsfermrkt is notorious for being inaccurate on it's fees and potential values. In fact, ludicrously so at times.
 
SmogOnTheTees said:
Heard he's going there to play left wing back. Gonna end in tears.
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It'll be bonkers if that's what happens.

Bit like Wolves signing Traore knowing full well they were going to play wing backs.

Annoying because you're partly thinking why are you taking this player off us just to waste them in their wrong position? But that's what prem money allows clubs to do I suppose.
 
MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
it took Steve Bruce, not exactly the most tactically aware manager, 45 minutes to work out that our weak point was our left hand side channel, specifically the pocket of space where Tav was so good at recovery runs and transitions.

We ABSOLUTELY did miss tav and will do all season, unless we can sign a player better defensively than mcgree, or mcgree develops that side of his game.
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Bang on. I like McGree but Tav was hugely important defensively for us and Saturday showed that with the series of runs through our wide open midfield in the last 20 or so. He is going to be extremely difficult to replace, which makes the 'meh' fee even harder to understand. I wonder if we had a gentleman's agreement with him last summer that if someone came in he could leave, and Gibson doesn't want to stand in his way.
 
We have to use the money well - it does open doors the strengthen the weakest part of our team. which to me is not defending.

Wallace and Swift worked the goal well - they will be on top end Championship wages (£25k/week each)

You could say in the second half WBA found some joy down our left, but we also created our goal down our left too and we did not do that enough last season.
 
Those saying we should have got a lot more coin for him - humour me, if you will. Had we just got promoted, and even having the advantage of knowing all that we do about Tav, would you honestly be happy if we forked out £15m or even £20m (as some suggest he is worth) on Tav? I’d be thinking we as a club must have lost our marbles! Even £12 million i’d be underwhelmed and would probably be thinking ’Really? That’s what 12 million is going to buy us??! Shhhheeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiitttt….football is broken.’
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Those saying we should have got a lot more coin for him - humour me, if you will. Had we just got promoted, and even having the advantage of knowing all that we do about Tav, would you honestly be happy if we forked out £15m or even £20m (as some suggest he is worth) on Tav? I’d be thinking we as a club must have lost our marbles! Even £12 million i’d be underwhelmed and would probably be thinking ’Really? That’s what 12 million is going to buy us??! Shhhheeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiitttt….football is broken.’
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Fair point.

The problem is most football fans undervalue those who can win the ball back, or who do things off the ball which enables your other players to do what they do, or those who put massive pressure on just through being extremely fit, Tav does all of that, and more. Does a lot of the dirty work, so to speak. He's also not really had one full season, under a great manager and in a good side, the tide turned half way through last year, and he's still only 23.

CM's are expensive too, compared to some players, not quite as expensive as forwards mind.

If he wins the ball back enough and frees up other players and they still stay up, then he's worth anything. But if they don't stay up most will say he's not worth it, and even if they do, they'll probably say the same (through lack of understanding).

£12m to a prem team is like £4m to a champo team though, it's not a big deal transfer, not for them, even though they're tiny.

£15-20m seems "fair" to me, but the problem for us is he's going to be very hard to replace, as it's harder for us to attract players to come up here.
 
It'll be interesting to see how he gets on, but I think he will find it a lot harder to get the ball back from a premier league team on energy alone. That worked well in the champo, but it will be a lot harder in the prem. His passing is okay without being spectacular although he has the odd tendency to give the ball away in bad positions (something he definitely can't do in the prem). He's not been signed for his goal scoring. Apparently he might be playing left wing back - not sure how he will get on in that position, but good luck to him. We'll miss him, but I think we got a pretty fair price, given the circumstances. He was improving at Boro, but only incrementally. Whether this year would have been a standout, break through season (e.g. 10 goals), we will never know!
 
MVBoro said:
It'll be interesting to see how he gets on, but I think he will find it a lot harder to get the ball back from a premier league team on energy alone. That worked well in the champo, but it will be a lot harder in the prem. His passing is okay without being spectacular although he has the odd tendency to give the ball away in bad positions (something he definitely can't do in the prem). He's not been signed for his goal scoring. Apparently he might be playing left wing back - not sure how he will get on in that position, but good luck to him. We'll miss him, but I think we got a pretty fair price, given the circumstances. He was improving at Boro, but only incrementally. Whether this year would have been a standout, break through season (e.g. 10 goals), we will never know!
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It's not so much just him getting the ball back, it's the constant pressure/ running, the more passes you force the opposition into the more likely they are to give the ball away to you or someone else (4/5 passes normally leads to losing the ball somewhere). It's like Tav putting a press on might lead to someone playing a crap pass, and the other guy gets dispossessed by another player, a lot of people don't notice it, and often the praise goes on the final guy who gets the ball. If you have the energy to get back and help your team win the ball, then you can run 60 yards to support the attack it really helps other players out.

It's basic stuff, and all marginal gains, but that's what a lot of the Premier League is about, nearly every player in the top teams is relentless high energy, except when they get the ball they can do something with it. Tav is probably fitter (and willing to run more than a lot of prem players) but will need to improve on the latter, but he will.

Players who don't have the energy can't support other players as well, so it can make them others look worse. You might have a creative player who is lazy, which is ok, but not great and it costs you elsewhere. You might have a player who can just run, but who can't kick a ball, which is also not ideal. Tav's pretty good in possession and will get better with that.

I think the wing back thing may just be a starting point, until he finds his feet, but I don't see how he doesn't end up as a box to box CM.
 
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