Tav forced the move ......?

Otto42 said:
Gazette putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with the answer they think suits? Not signing a new deal and forcing a move are not necessarily the same thing. Tav may have been happy to see out his contract?
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yes indeed. Why would anyone rush out to sign a new contract when they had premier league clubs interested. It doesn't mean they're actively pushing to leave, but anybody would almost certainly leave the option open
 
As I mentioned, I walked in to the meeting as CW was talking about Tav & stated, he hadn't asked for a transfer, the problem us these rumours could have unsettled him, bith Tav & the Boro owe each otber nothing (put in a good way) & both have benefitted enormously

Good luck to the lad
 
Otto42 said:
Gazette putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with the answer they think suits? Not signing a new deal and forcing a move are not necessarily the same thing. Tav may have been happy to see out his contract?
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The gazette don't seem to be saying that's the case. They're saying clearly he pushed for this move. Although the phrase "it's understood" is nice and vague and can't really be pinned on anyone. So could well be spin:


"But it's understood that Tavernier's representatives made it clear that the midfielder wanted the Bournemouth move and pushed for the switch."
 
festa5 said:
The gazette don't seem to be saying that's the case. They're saying clearly he pushed for this move. Although the phrase "it's understood" is nice and vague and can't really be pinned on anyone. So could well be spin:


"But it's understood that Tavernier's representatives made it clear that the midfielder wanted the Bournemouth move and pushed for the switch."
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Ah the world of football journalism

"it is understood"

"sources suggest"

etc etc
 
wilkos_perm said:
Ah the world of football journalism

"it is understood"

"sources suggest"

etc etc
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And extra dodgy in this case because we know the club feed stuff to the gazette. So the wording will have been chosen because it's perhaps only a version of the truth.

I suspect Tav wasn't pushing for a move, but understandably didn't want to sign a new contract.

The club accepted the offer and asked the question of Tav. Who then said "yes please".

In which case they can say he "wanted the move and pushed for the switch" and it's kind of the truth, but not the whole story.
 
festa5 said:
And extra dodgy in this case because we know the club feed stuff to the gazette. So the wording will have been chosen because it's perhaps only a version of the truth.

I suspect Tav wasn't pushing for a move, but understandably didn't want to sign a new contract.

The club accepted the offer and asked the question of Tav. Who then said "yes please".

In which case they can say he "wanted the move and pushed for the switch" and it's kind of the truth, but not the whole story.
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yep that's my interpretation also.

I mean the gazette report said they did everything they could to hold onto him....well except for accepting an offer 4 weeks before deadline day of course
 
wilkos_perm said:
yep that's my interpretation also.

I mean the gazette report said they did everything they could to hold onto him....well except for accepting an offer 4 weeks before deadline day of course
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Also tracks with Wilder telling fans he hadn't asked to leave but everyone has their price.
 
All the best to him and will give me an excuse to stay up for match of the day. The lad wants to try out the premier league and I hope he storms it.
 
Not sure he "forced the move".
More likely that he expressed if Premier League interest was there he would like to consider his options. And why not? If he has expressed that he will not sign another a contract while we are in the Championship then that is fair enough in my opinion. £12m then becomes an offer to good to turn down.

He gave us an extra season and we failed. I don't begrudge the lad for wanting a move. They only get one career and opportunities like this might not come up again. Yakubu FORCED a move when he just downed tools. I haven't seen anything to suggest that Tavernier has done that. He played well last week against Marseille.

EDIT: Another player who FORCED the move was Ramirez. I was racking my brain for another example and it came to me just after posting.
 
There's a difference between a player saying he wants to leave the club and actively getting his agent to put the word out and a player wanting to leave when an offer comes in from a big club.

I think generally if you see loads of newspaper stories about interest in a player it's a sign that the player has instructed his agent to look for another club. Compare Tav and Spence. We've had a couple of years of Bayern Dortmund arsenal etc sniffing around with Spence yet when it came to it only spurs bid - and even then their manager doesn't seem too fussed.
 
That's fair enough and don't overly blame him.

I'm just glad we at least tried to keep him. I only posted this morning that we should have thrown a new deal at him and said 'give us one more year'.
 
We should have offered him a new contract last year. I’d be surprised if we only offered him a new deal in response to the Bournemouth interest, in which case, hardly surprising he wasn’t interested. I can imagine Wilder will be disappointed with the outcome too.
 
festa5 said:
Also tracks with Wilder telling fans he hadn't asked to leave but everyone has their price.
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Wilder wasn't going to tell the fans that Tav was wanting out, was he. What if the move hadn't gone through in the end? The fans would have been on his back and he might well have needed Tav to play if there were any injuries.

He's not exactly going to sit there and tell us things like 'yeah, Bola wants a move to Reading and thinks that's a better option for him than Boro' and 'Fry fancies the Prem - he can't wait to leave to be honest'. It's not what these events are for.
 
It was only last week it was being reported that the club had turned down offers exceeding £10m for him. Something must have changed.

I'd say it's likely that Tav has said that he wants to leave and the club have decided that it would be in everyone's best interests to just accept any new bid.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1550203751021137922
 
The bid was £12.5m if adds on are included - sometimes they are included in bid quotes.

I am surprised if Tav has turned down Forest in favour of Bournemouth as Forest have more chance of staying up.

Its approx 65% chance he will be relegated with Bournemouth but only 45% chance with Forest.

I can understand him wanting to have a crack at the Premier League - the issue is what is the right age and development to that. I still think he is very much developing. The danger for him is that he sits on the bench at Bournemouth which could damage his career.
 
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Brick_Tamland said:
Wilder wasn't going to tell the fans that Tav was wanting out, was he. What if the move hadn't gone through in the end? The fans would have been on his back and he might well have needed Tav to play if there were any injuries.

He's not exactly going to sit there and tell us things like 'yeah, Bola wants a move to Reading and thinks that's a better option for him than Boro' and 'Fry fancies the Prem - he can't wait to leave to be honest'. It's not what these events are for.
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No of course he wouldn't say that. But he also didn't have any need to specifically say he wasn't asking for a move.
 
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