Supreme Court ruling on Scot ref - Scottish govt does NOT have right to hold another referendum

h_m_boro said:
Continuing the trend with the "b*stard English" rhetoric the number will continue to rise. Like I said the protest votes against the Tories and Labours demise will move voters to the SNP. In my humble opinion.
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They've been in power for 15 years, many of the massive issues facing Scotland right now are devolved matters, and directly attributable to the SNP's governance.

Labour are polling higher in Scotland than they have in years, 30% on the last opinion poll.

I've no doubt that many will vote SNP, but there's only so many times you can blame the English for your own mismanagement before the sheen comes off.

The Tories are finding that now they can't blame Brussels for everything.

It's even more relevant when there's a very real chance of a Labour government being in power again for the first time in over a decade.

A protest vote lent to the SNP against the Tories is less appealing when a Labour majority is where the current polling is heading.
 
Probably helps the optics with the ruling that 3 of the 5 judges were not English.

Lord Reed, the judge who delivered the verdict, is Scottish.
 
TeaCider said:
Probably helps the optics with the ruling that 3 of the 5 judges were not English.

Lord Reed, the judge who delivered the verdict, is Scottish.
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Exactly that’s the reality but it doesn’t fit he narrative.

As frankie Boyle said - scotland the only country in history to vote against their own independence.
 
I am very much against the breakup of the UK. However, given the utter shambles of Westminster, if I was Scottish I could probably be easily persuaded to vote SNP on the basis that the likes of Boris, Truss, Rees-Mogg, Hancock and the whole other host of sorry sleazy useless politicians in the ciurcus of Westminster are avoided.

Brexit was a game changer and the narrative is quite easy to pedal that Scotland was against it and wants to trade with countries that are just across the North Sea.
 
TeaCider said:
Bit off by the SNP trying to compare Scotland's current situation to Kosovo's under Serbia.

Kosovo declared independence after Serbia attempted to commit mass genocide and NATO intervened.
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The SNP wasn't saying that, or anything like it. The Kosovo analogy is about the obscure legal definition of a people, and whether a people can be defined and constrained by the border of a country. The SNP comparison had nothing to do with Serbs oppressing Kosovans.

The SNP case is not about England and hating English people, it's about not being taken down political routes that the successive Tory governments have taken the UK and therefore Scotland. Given that there's very few Tory supporters in here, and that most of you (like me) dislike what the Tories have done and are doing, I would have thought you'd understand the sentiment, if not the argument.

In the next general election, which presumably be 2024, Scots will now be facing a vote either to support the SNP and its wish for independence, or to protect the Union - which will probably mean voting for Labour or LibDem, since Tory policies are making everyone here in Scotland worse off, as well as the rest of the UK.

So it might end up being an opportunity for Keir Starmer rather than a ticking timebomb. He needs to work out the election strategy with regards to Scotland though, not just wait for 2 million Scottish votes to land in his lap. The LibDems are active and seeing an opportunity.
 
Soutra said:
The SNP wasn't saying that, or anything like it. The Kosovo analogy is about the obscure legal definition of a people, and whether a people can be defined and constrained by the border of a country. The SNP comparison had nothing to do with Serbs oppressing Kosovans.
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The comparison was to do with Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia, and the recognition of such by many countries, including the UK, and how such a situation should be acceptable for Scotland too.

The oppression by the Serbian government was entirely relevant to that decision, as the Supreme Court explicitly said in today's ruling.
 
Steer said:
Brexit was a game changer and the narrative is quite easy to pedal that Scotland was against it and wants to trade with countries that are just across the North Sea.
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So if we voted remain this wouldn’t be happening come on

Brexit was a complete red herring sh wsnts independence end of
 
Jedi boro said:
So if we voted remain this wouldn’t be happening come on

Brexit was a complete red herring sh wsnts independence end of
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You seem very passionate about this, which is fine, however if you read my post again, nowhere do I say that this is only about Brexit. However, it is very much contributing factor to the disappointment in Scotland about the UK government, which has empowered the SNP.
 
Her own words

I want there to be another independence referendum at some stage. I want Scotland to be independent, but I wouldn't choose to have it happen because England votes to come out of the E.U.

Nicola Sturgeon
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
Surely she will keep going until the Scots give her the answer she wants.
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Which is understandable, it's her life's ambition and the entire reason the SNP exists.

The only way that demand for independence stops is if the SNP cease to be the largest party in the Scottish Parliament, and the Scottish portion of MPs, the SNP are always going to demand independence.

The pro-union parties have to sell their arguments better to tempt support back from current SNP voters and independence supporters or it'll always be chuntering away in the background.

Whether they'll be able to do so is a different matter, but nothing is inevitable.
The SNP went from 6 seats to 56 in 5 years, a lot can happen in a short period.
 
I actually think Nicola Sturgeon is a brilliant politician and easily wipes the floor with the majority of them in Westminster, and has some great socialist policies, and I am not sure why she is hated so much on here to be honest just because she wants to break free from the old British system and look after her own country, we could do with someone like her in the north east?
 
Fattyfoggon said:
I actually think Nicola Sturgeon is a brilliant politician and easily wipes the floor with the majority of them in Westminster, and has some great socialist policies, and I am not sure why she is hated so much on here to be honest just because she wants to break free from the old British system and look after her own country, we could do with someone like her in the north east?
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Comparisons to Trump are laughable.
 
Fattyfoggon said:
I actually think Nicola Sturgeon is a brilliant politician and easily wipes the floor with the majority of them in Westminster, and has some great socialist policies, and I am not sure why she is hated so much on here to be honest just because she wants to break free from the old British system and look after her own country, we could do with someone like her in the north east?
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What great socialist policies has she enacted in Scotland in her 8 years as First Minister?
 
Fattyfoggon said:
I actually think Nicola Sturgeon is a brilliant politician and easily wipes the floor with the majority of them in Westminster, and has some great socialist policies, and I am not sure why she is hated so much on here to be honest just because she wants to break free from the old British system and look after her own country, we could do with someone like her in the north east?
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Because she has done such a good job in Scotland?
 
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