Sunak's wealth....

Not sure his wealth has any bearing to be honest. His views on the economy and lack of any rebalancing are a bigger issue.

However the real worry here, and probably the policy that will push poor folks over the edge is his commitment on the ni protocol and to enact the ni protocol Bill should it pass through the hol. This will trigger a trade war with the EU and our prices will skyrocket along with inflation and interest rates.

Several erg members have confirmed that he will push ahead with the bill. It's a **** show when the hol become the voice of reason.
 
Can’t believe I’m saying this about a Tory but I actually don’t think he’s a bad person. Or as incompetent as most politicians, because he’s done quite well at a really hard real world job previously.

I also don’t think he’s a liar, corrupt, a disaster capitalist, a “natural party of government” aristocrat who just wants to keep the old world order, or so desperate to be a politician that he’ll betray his principles between the morning news round and the one o’clock news. All of these are a good thing.

It’s his wife who’s insanely rich.

As above though, he’s been insulated all of his life from the real world value of something like £20. So politics for him is a theoretical game.

Put it this way, half of Keir Starmer’s family work in the NHS. That’s an understanding of the real world impact of what politics can improve or break.

For Rishi Sunak, he could leave the job tomorrow, buy a nice island somewhere and be quite happy. Nothing he will do will knock onto the quality of his own or his family’s life, same as all Tories but an extreme version because he’s so wealthy. He’s not the worst member of the Conservative party, but like Rory Stewart he’s not one of us and the fundamental problem with this country is the Conservative party.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
Can’t believe I’m saying this about a Tory but I actually don’t think he’s a bad person. Or as incompetent as most politicians, because he’s done quite well at a really hard real world job previously.

I also don’t think he’s a liar, corrupt, a disaster capitalist, a “natural party of government” aristocrat who just wants to keep the old world order, or so desperate to be a politician that he’ll betray his principles between the morning news round and the one o’clock news. All of these are a good thing.

It’s his wife who’s insanely rich.

As above though, he’s been insulated all of his life from the real world value of something like £20. So politics for him is a theoretical game.

Put it this way, half of Keir Starmer’s family work in the NHS. That’s an understanding of the real world impact of what politics can improve or break.

For Rishi Sunak, he could leave the job tomorrow, buy a nice island somewhere and be quite happy. Nothing he will do will knock onto the quality of his own or his family’s life, same as all Tories but an extreme version because he’s so wealthy. He’s not the worst member of the Conservative party, but like Rory Stewart he’s not one of us and the fundamental problem with this country is the Conservative party.
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I have nothing against his wealth either per se but I will point to his performance as chancellor. He spent billions and became unsurprisingly popular during unprecedented times when he had no other choice but to spend. He is being held up as the architect of the furlough scheme (.he wasn't) and he was behind the idea of eat out to help out which was a complete waste of more millions and encouraged fraud on a large scale not to mention the loans schemes. . He signed the cheques for the disastrous track and trace system and the PPE stocks that were useless.

We shall see how he performs when he cant have an open chequebook. The jury is definitely out.
 
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Laughing said:
Not sure his wealth has any bearing to be honest. His views on the economy and lack of any rebalancing are a bigger issue.
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Do you not think his wealth might possibly have some bearing on his views on the economy and attitude towards rebalancing?

His life experience is so incredibly far removed from the poorest in society I think he'll struggle to truly understand what they're going through.

Very easy to believe from a position of sheltered privilege the narrative put forward by many in the Tory press and some of his colleagues that the struggles many families face are over exaggerated and that they could simply work more hours or "get a better paid job". After all loads of vacancies out there.

Plus all his friends and family etc will have a similar sheltered experience, possibly similar world views and will be pushing their own tales of woe onto him ("if I can do without a super yacht, surely Joe Blogs can do without £20 a week. They only spend it on fags and booze anyway etc").

Now obviously it doesn't mean he can't do a good job or understand what people are going through on an intellectual level. But it's harder for him to have genuine empathy for any of it and that's likely to have some bearing on his decision making.

I suppose it's not so much his wealth that's a problem as his incredibly sheltered and privileged life and upbringing. He obviously isn't the only one mind.

And of course it didn't make any difference to Truss despite having been raised in the leafy middle class "ghetto" of Roundhay.
 
Laughing said:
Not sure his wealth has any bearing to be honest. His views on the economy and lack of any rebalancing are a bigger issue.

However the real worry here, and probably the policy that will push poor folks over the edge is his commitment on the ni protocol and to enact the ni protocol Bill should it pass through the hol. This will trigger a trade war with the EU and our prices will skyrocket along with inflation and interest rates.

Several erg members have confirmed that he will push ahead with the bill. It's a **** show when the hol become the voice of reason.
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When you don't know how much a loaf of bread costs or how to use a contactless debit card to pay for petrol I think it might be a problem...

How can he know what the average working class family are struggling with when he doesn't even buy his own shopping?

I have seen Sunak poncing round with his wife, kids and nanny in tow. Usually this is for photo opportunities in our area. He doesn't even look after his own kids - not sure how he can make sure out kids don't starve.
 
Coach Steve said:
We might actually get a new tees crossing? 🤔 I'm sure I have heard him talk about it when he was battling it out with liz to become pm.
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Or he night just stick to fingers up to us given the public backing from Houchen and Clarke to his opponents in the PM battle.
 
jonny_greenings_sock said:
Can’t believe I’m saying this about a Tory but I actually don’t think he’s a bad person. Or as incompetent as most politicians, because he’s done quite well at a really hard real world job previously.

I also don’t think he’s a liar, corrupt, a disaster capitalist, a “natural party of government” aristocrat who just wants to keep the old world order, or so desperate to be a politician that he’ll betray his principles between the morning news round and the one o’clock news. All of these are a good thing.

It’s his wife who’s insanely rich.

As above though, he’s been insulated all of his life from the real world value of something like £20. So politics for him is a theoretical game.

Put it this way, half of Keir Starmer’s family work in the NHS. That’s an understanding of the real world impact of what politics can improve or break.

For Rishi Sunak, he could leave the job tomorrow, buy a nice island somewhere and be quite happy. Nothing he will do will knock onto the quality of his own or his family’s life, same as all Tories but an extreme version because he’s so wealthy. He’s not the worst member of the Conservative party, but like Rory Stewart he’s not one of us and the fundamental problem with this country is the Conservative party.
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Rishi Sunak made a choice to cut support to millions of people during the first lockdown after standing in front of a camera to tell the nation that "no one will be left behind".

That choice was on basis that he didn't trust PAYE data for people or that their contracts were real or that employees would declare their real wages. So instead he literally names everyone a "fraud risk" despite all of the above being easily traceable.

While these millions were fighting for justice, Sunak moved heaven and earth to change the rules for TUPE so these people could claim furlough, which coincidentally was just in time to help one of his father-in-laws businesses.

The same changes that were made to help those TUPE'd could of helped everyone else, but again this was refused and now it was on the basis of cost and fraud. By this point the number of people effected was known fully to him.

Sunak never backed down and left millions with little to no income for months, many were laid off because of it. He and his team refused to meet any of the groups set up to represent those left behind, he just didn't care.

Sunak never applied the same rational to businesses however, and set up a system that was instantly known to be ripe for fraud but he didn't care about that, and duly wrote off the £billions that they stole from the tax payer. A move that benefits Tory party interests, not the nation.

Sunak is not a nice guy, he just wears a nice suit.
 
On the plus side, Rishi Sunak could never be termed a pessimist.

How do I know…. Warren Buffett says he’s never met a wealthy one.

Let there be light!
 
Has anyone watched the gamestop programme on netflix ?
Basically it exposes how hedge fund managers push good honest businesses into bankruptcy.
How are they allowed to create or borrow shares in order to devalue the real shares should be illegal.
Another crash coming unless this is stopped !
 
festa5 said:
Do you not think his wealth might possibly have some bearing on his views on the economy and attitude towards rebalancing?

His life experience is so incredibly far removed from the poorest in society I think he'll struggle to truly understand what they're going through.

Very easy to believe from a position of sheltered privilege the narrative put forward by many in the Tory press and some of his colleagues that the struggles many families face are over exaggerated and that they could simply work more hours or "get a better paid job". After all loads of vacancies out there.

Plus all his friends and family etc will have a similar sheltered experience, possibly similar world views and will be pushing their own tales of woe onto him ("if I can do without a super yacht, surely Joe Blogs can do without £20 a week. They only spend it on fags and booze anyway etc").

Now obviously it doesn't mean he can't do a good job or understand what people are going through on an intellectual level. But it's harder for him to have genuine empathy for any of it and that's likely to have some bearing on his decision making.

I suppose it's not so much his wealth that's a problem as his incredibly sheltered and privileged life and upbringing. He obviously isn't the only one mind.

And of course it didn't make any difference to Truss despite having been raised in the leafy middle class "ghetto" of Roundhay.
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I think you make my argument for me with your last paragraph festa. It's not the wealth that's the problem.
 
MolteniArcore said:
When you don't know how much a loaf of bread costs or how to use a contactless debit card to pay for petrol I think it might be a problem...

How can he know what the average working class family are struggling with when he doesn't even buy his own shopping?

I have seen Sunak poncing round with his wife, kids and nanny in tow. Usually this is for photo opportunities in our area. He doesn't even look after his own kids - not sure how he can make sure out kids don't starve.
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Again it's not the money that is the problem. Let's say that it were. How much money would be too much. What's the threshold for understanding family finances.

He worked as a banker, he can add up.

Whether he knows how a contractors card works or not isn't a skill a pm needs.

The danger is from his political belief system not that he is wealthy.
 
Laughing said:
How much money would be too much. What's the threshold for understanding family finances.
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You can't put a figure on that obviously, but someone who doesn't live a life that 99% of the population leads isn't someone I feel best represents the country.

I would also say he doesn't have the skills needed to be PM. Honesty, understanding, diplomacy, integrity, handles pressure well, deals with criticism... He hasn't shown me any of those. And knowing finances isn't one that is really needed - isn't that the job of the Chancellor?
 
MolteniArcore said:
You can't put a figure on that obviously, but someone who doesn't live a life that 99% of the population leads isn't someone I feel best represents the country.

I would also say he doesn't have the skills needed to be PM. Honesty, understanding, diplomacy, integrity, handles pressure well, deals with criticism... He hasn't shown me any of those. And knowing finances isn't one that is really needed - isn't that the job of the Chancellor?
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Firstly, I am not disagreeing that he may not have the skillset to be PM. I am saying that the issue isn't his wealth. Almost every tory front bencher is wealthy and falls into the 1% you reference above.

As I say, his wealth is not the problem, and it is probably irrelevant 720million or 150K per year, neither understands the plight of the man on the street trying to support a family, at the visceral level this thread is asking for. To be honest neither should they. If they were struggling financially they would be ripe for corruption.

There are far bigger issues to complain about, as I mentioned his agreement to enact the NI Protocol bill should it pass through the house of lords.
 
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