Steven Fry

[Same_as_before]

Is on the button , ignore the social media and only listen to the expert medical advice.

 

[sadgit]

erm no ****... this doesn't take a genius to work out

 

[Jedi boro]

Reminds me of this

 

[kuepper]

but the govt have ignored the expert advice from WHO for weeks and peddled their own confused mumbled contradictory political line

 

[Richyboro]

Who's the expert? Got to admit our experts have messed up a bit.

 

[Same_as_before]

Did Spain and Italy follow WHO advice? If so how is that a lesson to be learnt ?

 

[American_Mary]

Follow the government advice as a minimum and then add whatever additional restrictions you feel you need to keep you and yours safe.

 

[spanishman]

Who's the expert? Got to admit our experts have messed up a bit.

It is not necessarily the experts that have messed up. It is the political leader in the UK and his support team. He has shown no leadership.

This is not a political thing. As I have said elsewhere he should have set up a cross party working group to advise on this crisis. To take the politics out of it.

 

[Fluffycarpet]

I don't need people on social media or top scientists to tell me what I need to do to keep myself and other people safe. It's blatantly obvious. Myself and my partner will only go out once a week for food and that's it. The kids won't go out at all. And we all wash our hands constantly.

 

[Richyboro]

Spanishman it wasn't Boris who advocated herd immunity he just went with the expert's opinion.

 

[Borobarmy]

Agreed , He’d of been crucified if he ignored the advice and stuck his heels in ignoring them

 

[spanishman]

Spanishman it wasn't Boris who advocated herd immunity he just went with the expert's opinion.

Have you read the long article from the Sunday Times? It describes a leader who is out of his depth. You are just parroting what his future defence is going to be. The Shaggy defence.

 

[Pak_Doo_Ik]

I think nearly every leader in the world could be described as being out of their depth. All the leaders of the free world are being asked to make decisions the like of which haven't had to made in a long time.

 

[spanishman]

I think nearly every leader in the world could be described as being out of their depth. All the leaders of the free world are being asked to make decisions the like of which haven't had to made in a long time.

I have not watched tv from the uk much. However I have read that a number of members of his cabinet are showing considerably better public leadership skills than him

 

[kuepper]

Johnson thinks the real hero of the film Jaws was the Mayor who kept the beaches open - which explains everything

 

[br14]

Just my opinion, but "herd immunity" - though brutal if it gets out of control - does seem like the best of some pretty terrible choices. In a few months time a huge percentage of the country will have had the disease and have immunity. Life can get back to normal. The key is locking down the vulnerable until sufficient spread is achieved. The second part of that exercise is now going into effect.

 

[spanishman]

Just my opinion, but "herd immunity" - though brutal if it gets out of control - does seem like the best of some pretty terrible choices. In a few months time a huge percentage of the country will have had the disease and have immunity. Life can get back to normal. The key is locking down the vulnerable until sufficient spread is achieved. The second part of that exercise is now going into effect.

How many additional deaths are acceptable? Particularly if one of them was to be from your family?

 

[Lefty]

Stephen Fry is bang on the money.

What he is doing is advocating a thought process that utilises logic, reasoning, critical thinking skills and respect for the scientific method.

Because the biggest problem we have is when we put other things - ideology, gut feelings, wishful thinking, bias, prejudice - ahead of rational thought when it is not appropriate.

This was the same thing Fry said regarding brexit, but now all of a sudden some people are taking notice because consequences got real.

Suddenly ignoring experts doesn’t seem such a smart idea. Suddenly flipping a coin on two possible approaches (isolation and lockdown vs letting it run its course for herd immunity) doesn’t seem like good thinking.

Some people will say it’s not the same because brexit and Coronavirus are different things, but that just shows they do not appreciate it is the thought process that is key and that was replicated in both. It is not a coincidence that it is the same people behind both.

I was reading today how Johnson has several times wrote about the real hero of Jaws was the mayor of Amity because he refused to close the beaches and put businesses at jeopardy. ‘Although he was wrong on that one’ he wrote, it is the right approach. This is an ideology for Johnson. Maverick approaches are an ideology for Cummings, thus we are where we are.

Add to that the Right are especially poor at dealing with crises, because they think the market is king and the invisible hand will come to the rescue.