Steve Gibson's fmttm Q and A - Thursday

BoroMart said:
If 20m was offered for Rav, Hackney or Lath we would first ask them do they want to stay, keep them involved in the process, because they'll find out through agents
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In this day and age, I think they and their agents would find out before the club unfortunately, if not even instigated by the agents
 
The British managers got chance after chance after chance with a load of established Premier League clubs.

Allardyce, Moyes, Pulis, Redknapp, Pardew, Hughes, Souness, Hodgson, Rodgers, Bruce and Hughton at Bolton, Everton, West Ham, Southampton, Charlton, Blackburn, Spurs, Southampton, Portsmouth, West Brom, Newcastle, Liverpool, Fulham, Crystal Palace and Stoke. They’ve all had at least two of those managers in charge at some point, if not three. That’s a LOT of appointments and chances.

Then you have Lampard and Gerrard getting jobs well beyond their level of capability purely because of their reputation as players. You have Parker, Potter and O’Neil. McClaren. Nathan Jones. Tim Sherwood. Paul Lambert. Stuart Pearce. What happened when most of these people were given opportunities?

You have those who bring teams up like Rob Edwards, Nigel Pearson, Dean Smith, Neil Warnock, Steve Cooper, Eddie Howe got a chance at a ‘big’ club after a great job at Bournemouth. Chris Wilder. There’s loads and loads. The national team manager is English and taken the team to a World Cup semi-final and European Championships final. There are loads of younger coaches and managers throughout the leagues working their way up. If someone like Russell Martin or Kieran McKenna or even Michael Carrick takes their team up and keeps them up then they will be talked about for ‘bigger’ jobs.

Some of those I’ve listed aren’t English obviously but I think the narrative that British managers don’t get opportunities is hugely overblown. The very wealthiest clubs can go and get whoever they want, from wherever they want. Who from that list above are you going to choose ahead of the appointments made by those clubs in recent years?

The number of foreign managers, coaches and backroom staff just reflects the make up of the teams imo. I think bigger issue is why there is such a lack of BAME managers, coaches and directors in British football.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
I’d like to think with the better structure in place we have now, with Scott etc, bringing a foreign coach in might not end in a similar way to how Gibson described with Karanka.

I think one of the main problems with that era was Victor Orta.
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It was interesting though, someone asked about Orta, basically giving Gibson the chance to criticise him but he spoke quite highly of him including his encylopaedic knowledge of players.
 
BoroPhil said:
It was interesting though, someone asked about Orta, basically giving Gibson the chance to criticise him but he spoke quite highly of him including his encylopaedic knowledge of players.
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That’s interesting.

I remember there was a few really damming articles about him when he was sacked, about how he would come into the dressing room demanding to speak to ‘his players’.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
The British managers got chance after chance after chance with a load of established Premier League clubs.

Allardyce, Moyes, Pulis, Redknapp, Pardew, Hughes, Souness, Hodgson, Rodgers, Bruce and Hughton at Bolton, Everton, West Ham, Southampton, Charlton, Blackburn, Spurs, Southampton, Portsmouth, West Brom, Newcastle, Liverpool, Fulham, Crystal Palace and Stoke. They’ve all had at least two of those managers in charge at some point, if not three. That’s a LOT of appointments and chances.

Then you have Lampard and Gerrard getting jobs well beyond their level of capability purely because of their reputation as players. You have Parker, Potter and O’Neil. McClaren. Nathan Jones. Tim Sherwood. Paul Lambert. Stuart Pearce. What happened when most of these people were given opportunities?

You have those who bring teams up like Rob Edwards, Nigel Pearson, Dean Smith, Neil Warnock, Steve Cooper, Eddie Howe got a chance at a ‘big’ club after a great job at Bournemouth. Chris Wilder. There’s loads and loads. The national team manager is English and taken the team to a World Cup semi-final and European Championships final. There are loads of younger coaches and managers throughout the leagues working their way up. If someone like Russell Martin or Kieran McKenna or even Michael Carrick takes their team up and keeps them up then they will be talked about for ‘bigger’ jobs.

Some of those I’ve listed aren’t English obviously but I think the narrative that British managers don’t get opportunities is hugely overblown. The very wealthiest clubs can go and get whoever they want, from wherever they want. Who from that list above are you going to choose ahead of the appointments made by those clubs in recent years?

The number of foreign managers, coaches and backroom staff just reflects the make up of the teams imo. I think bigger issue is why there is such a lack of BAME managers, coaches and directors in British football.
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I’m not really suggesting it’s some kind of gross injustice, but however you look at it, an Englishman has never won the PL or CL. I guess some people care more about that than others, but I’d probably say I’d like an Englishman (mostly) to manage England and it would be better if we developed some genuine candidates for it.

Mart may be right about the British attitude towards intelligence/intellectualism/class etc. That may even feed into the BAME debate too. (Btw I’m only saying “BAME” cos you did. It’s not the “correct” term anymore I don’t think. 😕)
 
atypical_boro said:
I’m not really suggesting it’s some kind of gross injustice, but however you look at it, an Englishman has never won the PL or CL. I guess some people care more about that than others, but I’d probably say I’d like an Englishman (mostly) to manage England and it would be better if we developed some genuine candidates for it.

Mart may be right about the British attitude towards intelligence/intellectualism/class etc. That may even feed into the BAME debate too. (Btw I’m only saying “BAME” cos you did. It’s not the “correct” term anymore I don’t think. 😕)
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Yeah I used it as shorthand tbh.

Tim Sherwood is a great example of a ‘young English coach’ getting a chance. He ended up making a t*t of myself by allowing a supporter to come and pretend he was managing the team DURING A GAME. Like Pearce putting a goalkeeper up front during a game they needed to win to qualify for Europe.

There are some good young English coaches about. But if it comes down to it, are Manchester City going to hire Gary O’Neil or are they going to choose one of the world’s foremost managers or coaches? I think English coaches would be better served going abroad and developing their careers from there. It’s similar to players. Most foreign managers and coaches are prepared to travel. It doesn’t seem like their English counterparts feel the same way. Apparently Rodgers had offers from abroad last summer but decided to back to Celtic. That sort of sums it up. They need to follow McClaren’s lead imo.
 
My understanding was he liked and likes both Robson & karanka as people but when we went down with Robbo he said they stayed unified as a club & went back up whereas karanka responded to the pressure by blaming everyone else players back room staff etc. which fits with him flouncing off in training and going awol at that away game that time.
 
Uncle Harry said:
My understanding was he liked and likes both Robson & karanka as people but when we went down with Robbo he said they stayed unified as a club & went back up whereas karanka responded to the pressure by blaming everyone else players back room staff etc. which fits with him flouncing off in training and going awol at that away game that time.
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Yeah that ties in with him saying how he'd felt confident we would go straight back up that 97/98 season, but didn't have the same confidence after our last relegation.

You could tell he still feels angry and hurt over the Monk debacle.
 
Uncle Harry said:
My understanding was he liked and likes both Robson & karanka as people but when we went down with Robbo he said they stayed unified as a club & went back up whereas karanka responded to the pressure by blaming everyone else players back room staff etc. which fits with him flouncing off in training and going awol at that away game that time.
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His flounce was BEFORE we even got promoted, when the going got touch in the promotion race. Probably had his card marked from then on.
 
Read a lot of the comments from the evening.

May have missed something but just wondering if he took personal responsibility for anything that didn’t work out?
 
Sounds like it was a good event and thanks to all above who have provided comment on what was discussed. Some good takeaways from it, including the fact that Gibson doesn't like the club badge redesign. Leaving to one side the question of who the hell signed off on it then if he didn't like it, it has to be a good indication it's going and we'll get something new!

Hurry up and get that monstrosity off our Boro shirts! 😍
 
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