ForssAwakens
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Aye i know, I was just presenting it as a counter to muttley
Starmer sacks shadow transport minister for appearing on picket line
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FabioPorkpie
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Oh dear just read he is Angela Rayners boyfriend.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
InglebyUTB
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MolteniArcore
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I agree. Maybe it's about time these members voted with their feet. It's a shame Corbyn hasn't started his own party.
The sacking doesn't look great but they were told not to join he picket line, he did, so he gotta go. It's more Tarry's fault than Starmer's. He couldn't follow a simple instruction.
I'm not sure it will damage Labour too much.
But it is a shame Corbyn hasn't started his own movement yet. Some of you guys have said you are politically homeless - you would find a home there surely?
Ex Footy Legs
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And Sam tarry is a fully blown socialist therefore starmer will be saying thanks very much and will be happy to see the back of him
FabioPorkpie
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The issue is he’s just completely alienated a fair proportion of his membership, people like me who have been keeping their doubts and concerns about him to themselves until now. It’s completely detrimental to the cause and is an act of self harm. He should never have issued the instruction in the first place.
Johnny Vincents Motorbike
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i was a casual visitor/supporter (solidarity) on a RMT picket line yesterday and a labour MP was present.
Tarry hasnt been sacked for being on a picket line (loads of labour have been on RMT picket lines yesterday) - he was sacked for doing a live TV interview from the picket line - as far as i can see he is the only shadow front bench/labour MP to have done that - however , his portfolio is Transport! and he was/is an member of railway union TSSA (now sponsored by them).
for starmer that was a step/authority challenge too far - not something i would agree with - its twice now this week in the middle of the tory mayhem & carnage that he has let them off the hook by displacing them off the front pages - he has said little for nearly 2 years and then this week he cant shut up - its his judgement of political timing that you have to question.
Tarry hasnt been sacked for being on a picket line (loads of labour have been on RMT picket lines yesterday) - he was sacked for doing a live TV interview from the picket line - as far as i can see he is the only shadow front bench/labour MP to have done that - however , his portfolio is Transport! and he was/is an member of railway union TSSA (now sponsored by them).
for starmer that was a step/authority challenge too far - not something i would agree with - its twice now this week in the middle of the tory mayhem & carnage that he has let them off the hook by displacing them off the front pages - he has said little for nearly 2 years and then this week he cant shut up - its his judgement of political timing that you have to question.
BoroFur
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So ditto when Corbyn sacked Owen Smith?
There's no difference at all and anyone suggesting as much leaves themselves wide open to the accusation that they're simply anti-Starmer.
I have to say I am dismayed by the amount of bickering on this thread and the other one.
If these same disagreements are being replicated around the country then Labour has no chance of unseating the Tories at the next GE.
Please don't tell me the situation will be any different with Rayner, Nandy or Burnham as leader.
FabioPorkpie
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Correct.
HolgateCorner
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Interesting to read this and the other threads just now.
Divide and conquer.
It‘s happening in front of our eyes.
All sorts of Tory propaganda activity in action on these threads either conscious or unconscious.
No wonder the Tories hate the Woke movement.
Divide and conquer.
It‘s happening in front of our eyes.
All sorts of Tory propaganda activity in action on these threads either conscious or unconscious.
No wonder the Tories hate the Woke movement.
FabioPorkpie
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It’s all so unnecessary and it comes at a time when he needs to be unifying the membership and capitalising on gains at the polls, but instead he’s so **** scared of upsetting the right wing media or having to show some convictions in his arguments for the working classes, that he’s fracturing the party.
I get that he’s in a difficult position and he’s got to try and keep all sides happy, but I think that it’s a bad time when this board, which is constantly accused of having a left leaning Labour bias, has a decent chunk of traditional Labour voters openly criticising Starmer and showing real concern for the direction he’s seemingly headed in. A lot of work to do before the next GE.
I get that he’s in a difficult position and he’s got to try and keep all sides happy, but I think that it’s a bad time when this board, which is constantly accused of having a left leaning Labour bias, has a decent chunk of traditional Labour voters openly criticising Starmer and showing real concern for the direction he’s seemingly headed in. A lot of work to do before the next GE.
FabioPorkpie
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Starmer is the one doing the dividing in this case though.
Johnny Vincents Motorbike
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politically, its not the same - smith was publicly stabbing corbyn in the back, front and side - fuelled by kinnock jnr he was hacking corbyns legs off at the knee .
tarry was doing his job as the shadow transport minister yesterday.
you will struggle to find any evidence, words or article that displays Tarry as being anything other than loyal and supportive of Starmer - unfortunately this week i think Starmer is having his strings pulled by external forces and taking some seriously bad advice, which may be surprising for a lawyer.
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Why bring up Corbyn? He's not coming back!! Get over him!! Obsessed!!
Makes sense as an abstract theory, but in reality no - there's no big section of the membership that particularly care about Owen Smith. Remember this is the guy who couldn't draw a crowd even with a free burgers and ice cream offer...
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InglebyUTB
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This is just my opinion but I think the picket line thing is just an excuse to sack him. Plenty of others did during the last strike.
I suspect he was done for when he tweeted about Labour’s nationalisation policy, and he was crystal clear what he believed it was.
The opposite of Starmer.
I suspect he was done for when he tweeted about Labour’s nationalisation policy, and he was crystal clear what he believed it was.
The opposite of Starmer.
MolteniArcore
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Interesting point.
In terms of capitalising on gains it's a bit early to see if the sacking of Tarry will have any direct impact in the polls. I am not certain myself if it will have any impact at all really but it will be interesting to see if it does.
I'm not sure Starmer needs to be unifying the membership. I would think the more important role with two years to go before a GE is to get the swing voters and former Labour voters who voted Tory at the last election.
This will all have blown over by tomorrow. The only people I see on here apart from the odd one who have stated they won't vote Labour after this are the usual suspects. That's fair enough. I don't think Starmer will be losing any sleep over this whatsoever.
MolteniArcore
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Tarry's job as a Shadow Minister was not to join the picket lines, as instructed by his leader.
The evidence that Tarry has been disloyal and not supportive of Starmer is him joining the picket lines against the instruction of the Leader.