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HolgateCorner said:
And you think places like that have suddenly become heartland Tory?

Brexit seats.
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No they are traditional Labour heartlands that have been lost to the Tories at the last election. There are plenty more as well and with Scotland lost this side of independence the Labour Party desperately need them back to have the slightest chance of power.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Yes but if half of them want independence and the other half want a party batting for Scotland then this is what you get.

We have to face facts, we are a United Kingdom in name only, the union is history.
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Yes I agree. Which makes Labour’s red wall seats even more vital to them surely?
 
Jimstewart said:
Labour had 46 seats in Scotland in 2007 and now have one I think. The Tories were never strong there.
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That is exactly it. Past UK Labour governments have relied heavily on the Scottish vote to form a UK government whereas the Tories never did, really. This is what makes it more difficult for Labour to get back in.

Ironic really when you think that Labour campaigned for devolution whereas the Tories were completely against it but devolution has bitten Labour on the bum really.
 
Foggysfplandiet3 said:
That is exactly it. Past UK Labour governments have relied heavily on the Scottish vote to form a UK government whereas the Tories never did, really. This is what makes it more difficult for Labour to get back in.

Ironic really when you think that Labour campaigned for devolution whereas the Tories were completely against it but devolution has bitten Labour on the bum really.
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It certainly has and if and when they do get independence any Labour gains will make no difference to Westminster.
 
Foggysfplandiet3 said:
That is exactly it. Past UK Labour governments have relied heavily on the Scottish vote to form a UK government whereas the Tories never did, really. This is what makes it more difficult for Labour to get back in.
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Is this actually true or just something that's accepted as true?

Labour have formed a government after 9 General Elections.

If you take Scotland's share of MPs out of the equation for all sides, Labour would have still ended up in government in 1924, 1945, 1950, 1966, 1970, October 1974, 1997, 2001 and 2005.

The only elections that needed Scotland to give a Labour majority were 1964 and February 1974.
 
TeaCider said:
Is this actually true or just something that's accepted as true?

Labour have formed a government after 9 General Elections.

If you take Scotland's share of MPs out of the equation for all sides, Labour would have still ended up in government in 1924, 1945, 1950, 1966, 1970, October 1974, 1997, 2001 and 2005.

The only elections that needed Scotland to give a Labour majority were 1964 and February 1974.
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Urban myth.

It’s just hard for Labour to get elected because the country is more naturally Tory for some reason.

I think Labour always have to be ‘marvellous’ to get elected whereas the Tories can be largely incompetent but throw out a few scare stories about rising taxes, bankrupting the country, trust with the nuclear button, disloyalty to the crown, all that sort of thing to get back in. They won last time because they gambled correctly on which way to go on Brexit, even though they didn’t really want it, and still don’t in reality.

If Scotland remains in the UK, Labour can form an alliance with them to get the numbers up if necessary.
 
Jimstewart said:
Yes I agree. Which makes Labour’s red wall seats even more vital to them surely?
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Yes they are, I think all seats are vital to all parties no matter what part of the country, I’ve never said they aren’t.

The red wall tag was just a propaganda thing to make northerners think everybody votes Tory now in the north, because they believe everybody is just thick up here and engages in ‘groupthink’.
 
HolgateCorner said:
It’s just hard for Labour to get elected because the country is more naturally Tory for some reason.
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The people have grown up subjugated, it's in the national psyche to have a class system and an assumption that elitist are more intelligent and can be trusted far more than someone working class playing 'above their station'. That's been the Tory schtick for a long time and it still largely works.
 
BoroMart said:
The people have grown up subjugated, it's in the national psyche to have a class system and an assumption that elitist are more intelligent and can be trusted far more than someone working class playing 'above their station'. That's been the Tory schtick for a long time and it still largely works.
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I think you are spot on, one of the best descriptions of the psyche of much of the British electorate I have seen, I think it goes back to the feudal system.
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
Yet another Party Political Broadcast for the Labour Party ?
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Well not sure about everyone else, but personally I'm not a member of the labour party and have voted for three parties in the last 3 elections, but ok
 
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Jimstewart said:
Hampstead and Hackney aren’t the problem. Bolsover, Blythe, Redcar and the heartlands are.
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Hackney has been a Labour seat since it's inception. If that's not heartland, I don't know what is.

And another vote for Khan here. A lot of noise made about him by people who have made 'not liking London' a facet of their personality, but he has done a far better job than his predecessor. Whatever happened to him?
 
Stanley Unwin will win easily. He might appoint a few more Czars (easiest job in London: 'Night Czar'?).
 
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LaPennaBianca said:
Hackney has been a Labour seat since it's inception. If that's not heartland, I don't know what is.

And another vote for Khan here. A lot of noise made about him by people who have made 'not liking London' a facet of their personality, but he has done a far better job than his predecessor. Whatever happened to him?
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Hackney has something like a 33,000 Labour majority that’s why I said it isn’t a problem. The red wall seats I mentioned haven’t and neither have plenty of the other previous safe Labour seats in the north and the midlands. That’s why they are a problem.
 
Jimstewart said:
Hackney has something like a 33,000 Labour majority that’s why I said it isn’t a problem. The red wall seats I mentioned haven’t and neither have plenty of the other previous safe Labour seats in the north and the midlands. That’s why they are a problem.
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we have no idea if the Tories denting the red wall is a one off or not. Remember a lot of first time Tories did it specifically to get their blue passports. That's done, what will be their motivation next time?!
 
BoroMart said:
we have no idea if the Tories denting the red wall is a one off or not. Remember a lot of first time Tories did it specifically to get their blue passports. That's done, what will be their motivation next time?!
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I’m not sure what their motivation will be next time maybe Hartlepool is about to tell us? The thought of the Tories even being in with a shout over there was unthinkable not that many moons ago.
 
Jimstewart said:
I’m not sure what their motivation will be next time maybe Hartlepool is about to tell us? The thought of the Tories even being in with a shout over there was unthinkable not that many moons ago.
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Well hopefully people will start to open their eyes to the mess of this tory government
 
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