So much better 2nd half

viv_andersons_nana said:
It’s the players. Let’s be honest. Some of them are going to be working under their fourth manager(Howson’s sixth, McNair’s fifth). They’re getting managers sacked at a rate of one a season. It’s madness.

Maybe when Wilder said after Preston that some of them had reached the end of their time at the club, he was actually talking quite a lot of sense. I always thought he’d shift a few regulars, not the squad men(those who actually left). Maybe that’s where some of the tension came from. He wanted to clear it out but wasn’t allowed to do it. I don’t think he meant Peltier and Payero, I think he meant McNair, Dijksteel et al. Who knows though.

The next manager needs to root these players out and instil some pride and professionalism. Playing when you’re 0-2 or 0-3 down, it’s not good enough. And completely unsustainable.
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Nail on the head I think Viv.

There is almost zero leadership, meaness, fight, aggression, power or will to win through the squad, and definitely through the spine of the team.

We are a small, weak team who fold under pressure and often seem to concede goals in multiples playing like rabbits in headlights.

They are nowhere near as good as they think they are.

There is a malaise in the playing squad, we are like a mini-poundshop version of what Man U have been doing for the last few years.

They all need an absolute rocket and someone on the pitch that they fear, respect, play for and won't let down.

I'd only keep about three of that starting XI from todays game currently, and they are all loans FFS.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
He’s captain because he’s a good pro and there’s nobody else worthy of it. Who would be wearing the armband out of this group? There’s nobody.
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I just can't believe there is no one better, who seems to care more or call players out on the pitch. Lenihan was bollocking a few in the back line today (despite being at fault a few times himself).

We desperately need something, if I was the new manager it'd be my first job. Replace Howson in the starting line-up and give someone the armband who has the confidence to wield it.
 
Caesium137 said:
I just can't believe there is no one better, who seems to care more or call players out on the pitch. Lenihan was bollocking a few in the back line today (despite being at fault a few times himself).

We desperately need something, if I was the new manager it'd be my first job. Replace Howson in the starting line-up and give someone the armband who has the confidence to wield it.
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I think Lenihan would be a good choice. Howson needs taking out of the team and replaced with a proper defensive midfielder.
 
TeaCider said:
We go through this almost every match we lose this season.

Woeful in the first half and then look like we can get something in the second.

Something needs to change, it's both coaching and the players' attitude.
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Probably why we have been starting with Watmore, to get us a goal, rather than bringing him on after 60 minutes when we are chasing the game.
 
parmoboy said:
Karanka had experience working as a number two under Mourinho at Real Madrid though.

I think when people mention the word "rookie", they're referring to a guy whose coaching experience is literally coaching Boro u18s.
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So Michael carrick wouldn’t be a rookie then?

What about Bryan Robson?
 
GazC_MFC said:
So Michael carrick wouldn’t be a rookie then?

What about Bryan Robson?
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Carrick has 4 years of coaching experience at the highest level, he's got far more experience than Cattermole.

He's still inexperienced in managerial terms though.
 
GazC_MFC said:
But we don’t have anyone who genuinely plays the left side in that formation
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Whilst I don't think 4-4-2 is the answer (we'd get absolutely over run in central midfield) I think Giles would be absolutely fine playing in front of Bola.

The problem we would have is we absolutely zero cover for either of Jones or Giles to play as wingers, or Bola at left-back.

So any injury, suspension or drop in form and we're looking at playing people out of position or changing formation.
 
Caesium137 said:
Whilst I don't think 4-4-2 is the answer (we'd get absolutely over run in central midfield) I think Giles would be absolutely fine playing in front of Bola.

The problem we would have is we absolutely zero cover for either of Jones or Giles to play as wingers, or Bola at left-back.

So any injury, suspension or drop in form and we're looking at playing people out of position or changing formation.
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We are getting absolutely overrun in midfield as things stand with 532. Yesterday there was one point when we had 5 strung across the back looking after 2 strikers which means Blackburn had 3 extra bodies elsewhere on the pitch.
When we went 442 we actually started winning second ball and disrupting Blackburn's midfield but the 4 in the middle was a diamond (as my son pointed out) not with wingers. We'll still rely on the full backs to give us some width going forward.
One way or another the 5 at the back has to go, it's not working.
 
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