So Compulsory Vaccinations are Happening Then…..

[Soutra]

Oh, the PLF form to Spain was easy -

The Spanish Locator Form is NOT easy. NOT IN ANY WAY.

First, you have to upload your vaccination certificates from the NHS app. It should be easy, but it really isn't. I spent about 4 hours trying to do it before giving up and taking a paper copy to be processed at the "Sanitation Station" which is just past passport control. The white coated women scanned the QR code and eventually let me go. But it was another 15 minutes of questions and trying to scan QR codes that just didn't seem to want to be scanned.

Second, the Locator Form requires a seat number. I wasn't offered a seat number when I booked. I had to pay another £9 for a seat number, and in the event the plane was changed and my seat was changed. I moved 20 rows back. Inevitably someone fairly close to my original seat tested positive, so the Spanish Sanitation Service thought I was likely to have been infected. They bombarded me with phone calls for 7 days whilst I tried to explain the seat change issue.

Third, on arrival at the airport to return, I had to go back through the Sanitation Station because my double vax record still wasn't uploaded.

the one back to the UK was a right chew on, as was the unnecessary day 2 test, but that's our Government for you. If track and trace worked properly there should be no need for a test.

The Scotland locator form (don't know if it's different in England) wasn't so hard. I did manage to upload my vax certificates, and didn't need a seat number to fill out the form. Nobody checked the form on arrival. I had to do the 2 day test, and mail it back, but it was not too hard. £75 though, so pretty expensive.

The motto is - at the moment - if you want to travel, then you have to work for it.

 

[Laughing]

Austria's new lockdown comes a week after a restrictions were imposed on those who are not vaccinated but the government has now said it will make vaccination compulsory from the beginning of February.

Just 65% of the population has been fully vaccinated.

COVID-19: Austria starts new national lockdown as protests against coronavirus restrictions spread across Europe

Tens of thousands of protesters have rallied in cities across Europe over the weekend, as leaders look to tighten COVID-19 restrictions to tackle the latest wave of coronavirus infections.

news.sky.com

Interestingly enough, it will take 22 days at the current rate of jabs for Austria to manage to vaccinate just an additional 10%.

Also a week or so ago Austria put the unvaccinated in lockdown. The infection ratesd actually rose a little afterr the unvaccinated were locked down. They have now admitted that that tactic didn't work and are locking down both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

 

[Laughing]

Covidiot? Is that a word? I'll add to selfish ****.

Yours truly, a fully vaccinated, mask wearing, member of a free country.

Its worse for me, I am selfish a pr*ck and a tory mate!

 

[sherlock]

Austria's new lockdown comes a week after a restrictions were imposed on those who are not vaccinated but the government has now said it will make vaccination compulsory from the beginning of February.

Just 65% of the population has been fully vaccinated.

COVID-19: Austria starts new national lockdown as protests against coronavirus restrictions spread across Europe

Tens of thousands of protesters have rallied in cities across Europe over the weekend, as leaders look to tighten COVID-19 restrictions to tackle the latest wave of coronavirus infections.

news.sky.com

65%? Not 43%? Are you sure? Surely Laughing wouldn't have lied to try and support an incorrect and unsubstantiated point?

 

[sherlock]

Its worse for me, I am selfish a pr*ck and a tory mate!

Don't forget liar

 

[Laughing]

Its worse for me, I am selfish a pr*ck and a tory mate!

Oh and a liar

 

[sherlock]

Oh and a liar

Simply indisputable. There's much people can disagree on but you lied. The facts speak for themselves. Therefore, you are a liar.

If you disagree, explain why you claimed Austria had vaccine take up rate of 43% to try and support the point that you made.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

The Spanish Locator Form is NOT easy. NOT IN ANY WAY.

First, you have to upload your vaccination certificates from the NHS app. It should be easy, but it really isn't. I spent about 4 hours trying to do it before giving up and taking a paper copy to be processed at the "Sanitation Station" which is just past passport control. The white coated women scanned the QR code and eventually let me go. But it was another 15 minutes of questions and trying to scan QR codes that just didn't seem to want to be scanned.

Second, the Locator Form requires a seat number. I wasn't offered a seat number when I booked. I had to pay another £9 for a seat number, and in the event the plane was changed and my seat was changed. I moved 20 rows back. Inevitably someone fairly close to my original seat tested positive, so the Spanish Sanitation Service thought I was likely to have been infected. They bombarded me with phone calls for 7 days whilst I tried to explain the seat change issue.

Third, on arrival at the airport to return, I had to go back through the Sanitation Station because my double vax record still wasn't uploaded.

The Scotland locator form (don't know if it's different in England) wasn't so hard. I did manage to upload my vax certificates, and didn't need a seat number to fill out the form. Nobody checked the form on arrival. I had to do the 2 day test, and mail it back, but it was not too hard. £75 though, so pretty expensive.

The motto is - at the moment - if you want to travel, then you have to work for it.

I found it a piece of cake to be honest. The more difficult form being the one to return, a lot of repetition involved but done in well under an hour.

The silly part of it all being the test on return, dropped off in a cardboard box in a doorway in Boro for just shy of 50 quid. Straight into a Tory's pocket.

 

[MolteniArcore]

The Spanish Locator Form is NOT easy. NOT IN ANY WAY.

First, you have to upload your vaccination certificates from the NHS app. It should be easy, but it really isn't. I spent about 4 hours trying to do it before giving up and taking a paper copy to be processed at the "Sanitation Station" which is just past passport control. The white coated women scanned the QR code and eventually let me go. But it was another 15 minutes of questions and trying to scan QR codes that just didn't seem to want to be scanned.

Second, the Locator Form requires a seat number. I wasn't offered a seat number when I booked. I had to pay another £9 for a seat number, and in the event the plane was changed and my seat was changed. I moved 20 rows back. Inevitably someone fairly close to my original seat tested positive, so the Spanish Sanitation Service thought I was likely to have been infected. They bombarded me with phone calls for 7 days whilst I tried to explain the seat change issue.

Third, on arrival at the airport to return, I had to go back through the Sanitation Station because my double vax record still wasn't uploaded.

The Scotland locator form (don't know if it's different in England) wasn't so hard. I did manage to upload my vax certificates, and didn't need a seat number to fill out the form. Nobody checked the form on arrival. I had to do the 2 day test, and mail it back, but it was not too hard. £75 though, so pretty expensive.

The motto is - at the moment - if you want to travel, then you have to work for it.

Funny how we had the opposite experiences! I printed all my stuff out - couldn't get the uploads to work. And we were lucky in Spain - we breezed through passport control and also the QR code scanning place for the PLF. Suppose it's all to do with where you land and at what time. And I suppose having a seat number on the way out helped.

I think the reality is it's all a chew on but now I've done it once I suppose the next time will be easier and less stressful.

 

[MolteniArcore]

I found it a piece of cake to be honest. The more difficult form being the one to return, a lot of repetition involved but done in well under an hour.

The silly part of it all being the test on return, dropped off in a cardboard box in a doorway in Boro for just shy of 50 quid. Straight into a Tory's pocket.

One guy I know who lives in Spain says he's used the same test ref number on the UK PLF form 8 times and never submitted a test. If that's true it just shows how crap the system is.

I do know for certain that one of the guys on my trip used his test ref number for the second time and didn't send a test in either time and has had no comebacks.

 

[Soutra]

One guy I know who lives in Spain says he's used the same test ref number on the UK PLF form 8 times and never submitted a test. If that's true it just shows how crap the system is.

I do know for certain that one of the guys on my trip used his test ref number for the second time and didn't send a test in either time and has had no comebacks.

One of my friends on that trip submitted posted his 48 hour test in the correct mailbox thing, but presumably Randox lost it or didn't process it in time. He got a phone call and then a visit from some NHS Covid stormtroopers who pressed him for proof he had sent the 48 hour test back.

You may get lucky, but then again you might not.

Right now, it's an ordeal. If you cheat you might get away with it, but then again you might not.

 

[Laughing]

Simply indisputable. There's much people can disagree on but you lied. The facts speak for themselves. Therefore, you are a liar.

If you disagree, explain why you claimed Austria had vaccine take up rate of 43% to try and support the point that you made.

I owe you nothing, go back and look at what I said, I never mentioned austria. Now, about lies.... I aint a tory, I don't champion anti-vaxxers and I am not a pr*ck. Why do you lie about me?

Oh you are a liar.. I see how this works. Now do bore off.

 

[sherlock]

I owe you nothing, go back and look at what I said, I never mentioned austria. Now, about lies.... I aint a tory, I don't champion anti-vaxxers and I am not a pr*ck. Why do you lie about me?

Oh you are a liar.. I see how this works. Now do bore off.

Just realised your surname must be Stock....

 

[br14]

The problem with that is the 70,000+ deaths a year at current rates though eh?

Deaths by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

Age-standardised mortality rates for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19), non-COVID-19 deaths and all deaths by vaccination status, broken down by age group.

www.ons.gov.uk

Anyone who can manage a spreadsheet should look at the data in Table 4 of the linked spreadsheet.

It has me **** scared for my elderly family members who are vaccinated. Most of the others have had Covid-19 already.

 

[br14]

as the covidiots band together to attack the minority calling them out....

Deaths by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

Age-standardised mortality rates for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19), non-COVID-19 deaths and all deaths by vaccination status, broken down by age group.

www.ons.gov.uk

Get your spreadsheet out and check the link - Table 4 to be precise. Compare unvaccinated people in the 10-59 age group with vaccinated people in the same age group. I chose the latest weeks data (24-Sep-2021).

I believe it suggests (and I'll be happy to be proved wrong), that just at the moment, in the 10-59 age group, if you catch Covid-19 you're more likely to die of Covid-19 as a vaccinated person, than you are as an unvaccinated person. This doesn't apply for the older cohorts, but it does for all ages and especially if you include single shots.

I presume the startling nature of the data is due to the large numbers of young people catching the virus who don't have severe disease and therefore skew the data. But even so that 10-59 age group stats suggest getting boosters after a few months if you're already vaccinated is essential.

 

[Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants]

Interestingly enough, it will take 22 days at the current rate of jabs for Austria to manage to vaccinate just an additional 10%.

Also a week or so ago Austria put the unvaccinated in lockdown. The infection ratesd actually rose a little afterr the unvaccinated were locked down. They have now admitted that that tactic didn't work and are locking down both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

The rate will rise after lockdown initially, if people don’t show symptoms they won’t get tested, the virus can take 3-10 days to show symptoms so it’s fair to say many were positive but pre-symptomatic before lockdown.

 

[Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants]

Deaths by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

Age-standardised mortality rates for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19), non-COVID-19 deaths and all deaths by vaccination status, broken down by age group.

www.ons.gov.uk

Get your spreadsheet out and check the link - Table 4 to be precise. Compare unvaccinated people in the 10-59 age group with vaccinated people in the same age group. I chose the latest weeks data (24-Sep-2021).

I believe it suggests (and I'll be happy to be proved wrong), that just at the moment, in the 10-59 age group, if you catch Covid-19 you're more likely to die of Covid-19 as a vaccinated person, than you are as an unvaccinated person. This doesn't apply for the older cohorts, but it does for all ages and especially if you include single shots.

I presume the startling nature of the data is due to the large numbers of young people catching the virus who don't have severe disease and therefore skew the data. But even so that 10-59 age group stats suggest getting boosters after a few months if you're already vaccinated is essential.

The ONS are splitting the age groups out on this on one of the next issues as it doesn’t show the full picture. More of the unvaxxed 10-59 are young people. We know the older you get the more susceptible you are even when vaccinated.

 

[NorthumberlandBoro]

One of my friends on that trip submitted posted his 48 hour test in the correct mailbox thing, but presumably Randox lost it or didn't process it in time. He got a phone call and then a visit from some NHS Covid stormtroopers who pressed him for proof he had sent the 48 hour test back.

You may get lucky, but then again you might not.

Right now, it's an ordeal. If you cheat you might get away with it, but then again you might not.

If you use Randox you can just upload an image of your test via their App. Very straightforward.

 

[NorthumberlandBoro]

The Spanish Locator Form is NOT easy. NOT IN ANY WAY.

First, you have to upload your vaccination certificates from the NHS app. It should be easy, but it really isn't. I spent about 4 hours trying to do it before giving up and taking a paper copy to be processed at the "Sanitation Station" which is just past passport control. The white coated women scanned the QR code and eventually let me go. But it was another 15 minutes of questions and trying to scan QR codes that just didn't seem to want to be scanned.

Second, the Locator Form requires a seat number. I wasn't offered a seat number when I booked. I had to pay another £9 for a seat number, and in the event the plane was changed and my seat was changed. I moved 20 rows back. Inevitably someone fairly close to my original seat tested positive, so the Spanish Sanitation Service thought I was likely to have been infected. They bombarded me with phone calls for 7 days whilst I tried to explain the seat change issue.

Third, on arrival at the airport to return, I had to go back through the Sanitation Station because my double vax record still wasn't uploaded.

The Scotland locator form (don't know if it's different in England) wasn't so hard. I did manage to upload my vax certificates, and didn't need a seat number to fill out the form. Nobody checked the form on arrival. I had to do the 2 day test, and mail it back, but it was not too hard. £75 though, so pretty expensive.

The motto is - at the moment - if you want to travel, then you have to work for it.

Next time download your vacc cert as a PDF at home before you travel(you will see that as an option on the NHS App). At the airport just click on the pdf in your phone to present. No need to log in to the NHS app.

 

[Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants]

If you use Randox you can just upload an image of your test via their App. Very straightforward.

Randox also started hastling me for my day 2 test. It was posted on a Friday, they acknowledged receiving it the following Thursday.