Six biggest Championship clubs

wilkos_perm said:
Well the vague concept of "bigness" does actually help you attract players and managers.
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Does it? Sorry I don't see that happening. Mostly its money, then the chance to win a trophy. Somewhere after that comes location, the level playing at, the chairman, the prestige of the stadium, the size and passion of the home support, etc. I guess some of these are "size" related but only as a nebulous catch all measure that encapsulates multiple factors.
 
Muttley said:
Does it? Sorry I don't see that happening. Mostly its money, then the chance to win a trophy. Somewhere after that comes location, the level playing at, the chairman, the prestige of the stadium, the size and passion of the home support, etc. I guess some of these are "size" related but only as a nebulous catch all measure that encapsulates multiple factors.
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I'd say as you suggest a few of those points come under "size", as vague as it is. Obviously if there's an unattractive factor in the club (e.g. Derby's situation, or the family don't want to move there that all gets factored in). But it's clear to me that Wilder was a realistic aim for a club of our "size" but he probably wouldn't have been realistc for a good few other championship clubs
 
Muttley said:
Does it? Sorry I don't see that happening. Mostly its money, then the chance to win a trophy.
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As per my previous post, Out of Huddersfield, Preston and Boro. Boro seem most likely given recent years performances of winning a trophy.

As for money, wages, well 'bigness' surely does come into that. Some key finances for those wages come from:
- attendances, we have better than both, Hud and Pre
- clubshop/merchandise revenue, again I would think we are bigger
- corporate hospitality, I would think us and Hud are way above preston as their ground isn't geared for it
- sponsorship, we have been a 'bigger' club, with lots of prem time in recent years, I would think all aspects of sponsorship are bigger revenue streams for us
- TV money, I would think we outdo those two sides other than Huddersfields dalliance with the prem for 2 seasons, we will be well ahead in modern times
- youth systems, those two are category 2, not 1. Our youth system allows us to have some good quality players for cheap, which then offsets what we can pay other players we transfer in
- prize money - our much better cup performances over the last 40 years, helps us pay more.

So wages, and 'bigness' are inter-related.
 
Would have been much easier if the graphic was titled "most historically successful football clubs..." :ROFLMAO:

It's the same the argument the Geordies use about being a "big" club. Big is an subjective measure that has typically had nothing to do with how football teams are objectively measured.

Obviously in their case they mean within the top 40% or so of EPL attendances.
 
I think "biggest" is the wrong wording, they probably should have used "historically the best performing, with no yearly weighting".

Biggest would need to be best supported, with the largest worldwide draw, or if it's based on success it would need to be weighted for the level of the competition, and opposition faced, and also for currency. I think biggest would also have to factor for attraction of new players, and chance of future success.

For example, having a team which won the FA Cup in 1922, and nothing since, does not mean they're equal to a team which won last years FA Cup. They might have been bigger in 1922, but ever since, that's waned, and the one that won it last year would be miles ahead, to any neutral. I can't even remember who won it last year mind, and have zero idea who won it in 1922 either.

It's like calling Sinclair one of the biggest computer manufacturers now, when they haven't made anything in 30 years. They've had their day, but it's largely irrelevant to now.

I'd possibly put Fulham, West Brom and Sheff Utd above us, but that's it, and I'd say there's not much in it for this year or future potential.
 
Based on cups won you'd have clubs like Barnsley, Notts County, Wigan, Portsmouth, Bradford, Charlton as bigger than us as they've all won the FA Cup at least once.

There's no way of defining a big club really so its a daft argument, but for me a big club is a big club now not a hundred years ago. There's no way those clubs in that list above are bigger than a club like Crystal Palace who have spent a lot of recent years in the top flight even though they've never won a cup.

If a young player or foreign prospect had the choice of Notts County, Sunderland or Palace where would he chose to go? Even if the wage was the same he'd chose Palace then Sunderland then Notts County.

Notts County were a founder member of the league and a big club at pre-1900, Sunderland were a big club in the 1930's but from the 1950's onwards they've been a club that has yoyo'd between the top two divisions and now they're a club that can't get out of the 3rd tier. Its hard to call either of them big clubs in my opinion.

Season's in the top flight are the best barometer of club size and when you look at the top 9 clubs they're all pretty big Premier league clubs, Sunderland are 10th in that list but a large number of those seasons came pre world-war 2 so they are maybe an anomaly in that list.

In 10 years time Sunderland might be back in the top flight and then you'd maybe say they are a bigger club than Palace again but right now they are miles behind as a club.
 
How big football clubs are and who is bigger than who is always a controversial topic because theres no clear definition. There are lots of factors that would contribute to how big a club is and to what extent they influence the decision is debatable.

I would even say that the size of a club can change and Middlesbrough in the early 2000's who were playing in front on 34,000 season ticket holders week in, week out, attracting some of the best players in the world and competing in top flight football and getting to wembley on a regular basis were a bigger club than we are today.

To confuse matters even further I would also suggest that it is a lot harder to win a trophy and certainly the league now than it has ever been previously.
 
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