Sir Tim Martin

NYboro said:
Brewdog are not small and their business practices stink as much as Wetherspoons.
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That's my point. All the other pubs are charging £6 a pint where they are charging £3. If Wetherspoons can afford to charge so much less then someone is taking the **** and it is breweries, like Brewdog, that are the main reason we are paying so much. If the breweries weren't screwing everyone then the price of a pint in the pub should be somewhere between what is being charged and what Wetherspoons charge which would be better for everyone.

Basically, they are indirectly shining a light on the greed of the breweries by showing what the actual margin is.
 
Nano said:
That's my point. All the other pubs are charging £6 a pint where they are charging £3. If Wetherspoons can afford to charge so much less then someone is taking the **** and it is breweries, like Brewdog, that are the main reason we are paying so much. If the breweries weren't screwing everyone then the price of a pint in the pub should be somewhere between what is being charged and what Wetherspoons charge which would be better for everyone.

Basically, they are indirectly shining a light on the greed of the breweries by showing what the actual margin is.
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Yeah, Brewdog pubs are absurd.
 
Nano said:
That's my point. All the other pubs are charging £6 a pint where they are charging £3. If Wetherspoons can afford to charge so much less then someone is taking the **** and it is breweries, like Brewdog, that are the main reason we are paying so much. If the breweries weren't screwing everyone then the price of a pint in the pub should be somewhere between what is being charged and what Wetherspoons charge which would be better for everyone.

Basically, they are indirectly shining a light on the greed of the breweries by showing what the actual margin is.
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Wrong. They can afford to get prices out of the big brewers that the small operators cannot. On top of that they force the small breweries to accept less for a barrel than is really economic. One of the reasons so many small breweries are going under.
 
NYboro said:
Wrong. They can afford to get prices out of the big brewers that the small operators cannot. On top of that they force the small breweries to accept less for a barrel than is really economic. One of the reasons so many small breweries are going under.
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They are selling at prices half what Brewdog themselves are selling. They aren't getting it cheaper than they are getting it from themselves so there is a huge margin in the somewhere.

There are typically small margins in running pubs but breweries are making massive margins. It is the high cost they are charging pubs causing the small margins in running pubs.

Small breweries are a different proposition altogether but they don't have to go through Wetherspoons. There would be more pubs for them to sell to if the big breweries weren't forcing so many pubs to close.
 
NYboro said:
Wrong. They can afford to get prices out of the big brewers that the small operators cannot. On top of that they force the small breweries to accept less for a barrel than is really economic. One of the reasons so many small breweries are going under.
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If that's the case why do other large chains not have similar prices? Stonegate operates 4800 sites
 
Nano said:
They are selling at prices half what Brewdog themselves are selling. They aren't getting it cheaper than they are getting it from themselves so there is a huge margin in the somewhere.

There are typically small margins in running pubs but breweries are making massive margins. It is the high cost they are charging pubs causing the small margins in running pubs.

Small breweries are a different proposition altogether but they don't have to go through Wetherspoons. There would be more pubs for them to sell to if the big breweries weren't forcing so many pubs to close.
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Brewdog make huge profits. They get away with charging what they want and it's not so much the breweries closing pubs as the pubcos. Very few original breweries left. They're now mostly Carlsberg Marstons, Greene King and AB Inbev.
 
Why are the prices so high in other “trendy micro pubs” ??

Regularly get prices of £5- £6 up here just for a pint of something standard like a landlord or a black sheep.

Wetherspoons prices are half that.

Also, was in the white swan in Stokesley the other week and a price for a guest ale (not their own brewed stuff) was a very reasonable £3.10 a pint… so it IS possible to change reasonable prices
 
Nero said:
Another reason for Weatherspoons being good. One of my favourite pubs in Billingham is Kings Arms. Great place and good people. Awful selection of beer. The Half Moon (Spoons) has a far better offering.
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Last decent pint I had in the Kings Arms was Newcastle Exhibition.
 
NYboro said:
Brewdog make huge profits. They get away with charging what they want and it's not so much the breweries closing pubs as the pubcos. Very few original breweries left. They're now mostly Carlsberg Marstons, Greene King and AB Inbev.
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There are absolutely loads of smaller breweries doing well though, you'll just never see any of their beers in Wetherspoons, thankfully.

The day I see anything like Cloudwater, Verdant or Deya in a Wetherspoons is the day I will give up on the craft beer scene entirely.
 
Never heard of those 3.

Do they taste better than a Landlord or a Boltmaker or do you just like to be “niche”
 
AytonMews said:
Never heard of those 3.

Do they taste better than a Landlord or a Boltmaker or do you just like to be “niche”
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I actually quite like Timothy Taylor although I would only ever drink it on Cask, never bottled. The Lion Inn at Blakey Ridge does a very good pint of Landlord.

Cloudwater are arguably the biggest craft brewer in the UK, almost everything they put out is solid. Verdant and Deya are two other big names. Vocation, from Hebden Bridge are another big name but you'll see some of their beers quite frequently making it to supermarket shelves, and the difference in quality between those and the beers you can buy direct or drink in their taprooms is huge.

Other craft breweries that often have options in supermarkets include Northern Monk, North Brewing, Magic Rock, Salt and Brew York. All of their non-supermarket beers are decidedly superior.
 
AytonMews said:
My favourite pub and my favourite pint 👍🏻

They do a cracking bowl of chips too
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Yeah, my favourite pub in the world.

Superb atmosphere and the owners know how to keep their beer. Best pint of Old Peculier you'll ever have (even better than at the brewery in Masham!)
 
it really is a travisty,,, goes on whoevers in government really ... all looking after themselves to get power in public finances
 
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