Sir Keir Starmer

Scrote said:
..and that just shows why the left were wrong to assume the stories about Corbyn would backfire.

It's like there's almost a dawning realisation of how the media work against the left but then the shutters go back across and normal service is resumed.
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If that’s aimed at me, then I think you’ll find there were a lot of people inside of the Labour Party that weren’t fans of Corbyn or his policies and the momentum cult.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...uits-party-after-45-years-blaming-corbyn-cult
 
Labour should be able to exploit stories like this by repeating the mantra that their policies aren’t aimed at making the rich poorer but the poor richer and that success can be achieved whilst retaining a more equalitarian outlook, Starmer comes out of it as a good guy who through hard work reached the top of his profession, who loves his mum, is nice to animals and isn’t looking to cash in to property developers.
 
In fact I’ll go further you are criticising me for Daring to post a negative comment about momentum or Corbyn himself...this is exactly my point and the point of the article. There was a cult of Corbyn all singing his name and making out he was some sort of saintly Dali Lama clone. It was all very strange.

A senior labour spokesman quote from That article sums it up - dated May 2019.

“ A Labour party spokesperson said: “It is disappointing that Bridget Prentice has left the party but many claims in her letter are plainly untrue. Labour’s bold and popular policies under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership have changed the political conversation in this country and exposed the devastation caused by the Tories’ austerity agenda.”

Yet, Look at what happened at the election labour’s Worst ever general election result, it was delusional to think he would win. But no no one dare say it. He was unelectable.

Thank god for starmer labour has a real leader again.
 
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zorro_mfc said:
There was a cult of Corbyn all singing his name and making out he was some sort of saintly Dali Lama clone. It was all very strange.
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Much like that cult of Juninho, all singing his name and making out he was some sort of saintly Dali Lama clone. It was all very strange.

The fact you completely miss the point is what's so predictably tiresome. It isn't, and wasn't, about Corbyn.

The "Cult", along with the anti-semitism furore were manufactured to give people like yourself a convenient excuse not to vote Labour. Enough were sucked in to give us 5 more years of Tory misrule.

None of it has to be true. None of it has to make a lot of sense. It's the seeding of the idea that counts and that's what the Mail have now done with Starmer.

As for the article you're setting so much store by, I'll cherry pick this quote to show how out of touch the centrists were:

"Corbyn’s claim that the local election results this month were a call by voters to get on with delivering Brexit “would be laughable if it were not so palpably wrong and pathetic,” Prentice said."

One of the main reasons people didn't vote Labour (especially up North) was the idea that they were against Brexit. Starmer was the poster boy for that. How do you think it'll play at the next election?
 
Scrote said:
One of the main reasons people didn't vote Labour (especially up North) was the idea that they were against Brexit. Starmer was the poster boy for that. How do you think it'll play at the next election?
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It should be a non-issue, Boris and his minions say we'll already be out so Brexit has zero impact on next election.
 
Whatever way you look at it, facts are:

1. Starmer is a multi-millionaire.
2. He is totally against Brexit.
3. As Chief Prosecutor, he let Jimmy Saville of the hook and failed to bring the gang rapists to justice.
4. He is facing an 80 seat majority and has probably the weakest Shadow Cabinet in history.
 
Dragged up in W Banks said:
Whatever way you look at it, facts are:
1. Starmer is a multi-millionaire.
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An irrelevance, his wealth was self made, not inherited. If you can't vote for him because he is fairly wealthy, then you can't vote Tory either.

Dragged up in W Banks said:
2. He is totally against Brexit.
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Another irrelevance as a) Brexit will almost certainly be completed, and b) He may actually be able to point at the lie that was brexit, at eroded food standards, that Turkey are still not in the EU, that we haven't got comprehensive trade deals etc. highlighting the lies of the decade preceding the 2024 election.

Dragged up in W Banks said:
3. As Chief Prosecutor, he let Jimmy Saville of the hook and failed to bring the gang rapists to justice.
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Well that shows ignorance of the facts and a prejudice of the man. If you were being honest you would accept that Savile was fiddling for nearly 5 decades before Starmer got in to that role and died within a couple of years of Starmer getting in. He didn't let Savile off any hook, because Savile's victims didn't come forward in his time in that role. As for gang rapists, Starmer changed policies that have successfully led to many, many convictions, the facts are that when Starmer left the role, successful rape prosecutions were at an all time high. Now if you are honest about caring about such things, you should support the work he did, alternatively, if you double down, you are simply politicising sex crimes for an agenda, and that's on you.

Dragged up in W Banks said:
4. He is facing an 80 seat majority and has probably the weakest Shadow Cabinet in history.
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The first part is a fact but it was largely through northern towns 'lending their vote' for Brexit. As discussed brexit won't be a factor, and those northern towns may face real poverty over the next few years. They've already got the worst infection rates for Covid at least partly through Tory ineptitude. The mobilisation of working class northerners into Tory voters will drop significantly. Many of them will go back to 'no point voting, nothing will change', others will return to labour. 80 seats isn't the key point in a FPTP system, it's 43% tory, vs 32% Labour. All it takes is about 5% of swing voters to return to labour OR say 3% return 4% not bother voting (highly likely), and it all looks very different.

Regarding the shadow cabinet....I'd be more bothered about the capabilities of the current cabinet, Priti Patel, Hatt Mancock, Gove, Raab, Truss, Coffey, now that's ineptitude for you. I doubt I will be taking your analysis of who are the strong and weak politicians to heart, it was only 10 weeks ago you were telling us all how Boris Johnson would take Kier Starmer apart in PMQ :ROFLMAO:....you should give up politics and stick to football mate.
 
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“Weakest shadow cabinet in history”.

Great to see we have an independent thinking political analyst amongst our contributors. I acknowledge that you must have spent weeks trawling through the various constituent shadow cabinets down the years and come to this startling conclusion.

It is throw away comments like this that make you sound like a Daily Mail reading gammon. Im sure you are not.
 
Dragged up in W Banks said:
4. He is facing an 80 seat majority and has probably the weakest Shadow Cabinet in history.
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😂 As if there is any metric by which to measure whether they are weak in their roles or not, other than their perceived personality and a few weeks in the role, where they’ve generally kept fairly quiet until recently.

The government cabinet, on the other hand, well they are governing so there are metrics by which to measure their ability and performance. And guess what? They are performing pretty weakly in most aspects and areas of governance! Appallingly bad in fact.
 
To be fair Corbyn was a divisive figure for Labour voters. Whilst I don't agree with almost all the statements bandied about, cult, unelectable. I see those traits as being foisted on the public and enough people bought the rhetoric.

The final "nail in his coffin" was a poorly accepted brexit strategy, which by the way I agreed with, despite voting to leave the EU. The whole thing was becoming a farce and a referendum where we compare a deal with remaining seemed grown up and sensible, whilst the press and the opposition labelled as delay and dither, or was it dither and delay.

Anyway the old fella has done the right thing and stepped down. Let us see where Kier Starmer takes the party.
 
Dragged up in W Banks said:
Whatever way you look at it, facts are:

1. Starmer is a multi-millionaire.
2. He is totally against Brexit.
3. As Chief Prosecutor, he let Jimmy Saville of the hook and failed to bring the gang rapists to justice.
4. He is facing an 80 seat majority and has probably the weakest Shadow Cabinet in history.
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Here is the problem with modern politics: no matter how many lies Johnson spreads, no matter ho many people he kills, there are still people willing to "defend" him. Only they realise they can't so they have to attack the opposition.

Dragged up, lets flip it around: how do you feel Johnson is doing as prime minister?
 
Starmer is a "safe" "leader" - he`s a right wing Blairite who poses no threat to the establishment.
Life returned to "normal" for the elite when this man became leader.
The zionist destruction juggernaut with the overt complicity of the establishment destroyed Corbyn.
Its happy now.
The "mainstream" [Elite owned] media is just back to "as you were".
 
Same_as_before said:
Tell me the right wing policies that Blair brought in. Highest tax take from the top 25%, biggest rebound in public spending, .....
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Are you serious.. Jesus christ. The guy is directly responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis' which led to a complete destabilisation of the middle East which is still happening today.

His NHS scandals, he essentially gave rise to brexit and Farage in his dealings with the EU, he even had his own Cummings sitting in cabinet meetings FFS.
Not to mention being super bff's with George and spending more time in Congress than any PM ever to cheer him on.
He also enriched himself massively, let's not forget the Kuwaiti government paying him untold millions for a 'speech' which was never released and just happened to happen after invading Iraq.

Your ignorance is beyond frustrating.
 
Jeremy Corbyn had the right policies at the wrong time. Brexit clouded everything, we simply could not move from right to left as a nation that fast in this climate.

Right now we have a right wing government that is preaching from the Trump playbook, no scrutiny allowed, outright lies and re-writing of history some of which is literally days old, aided by a willing media.

Keir Starmer may be more centrist as a leader and may shift labour down that line but even that would mark a huge swing to the left against the current government.

Now more than ever, my voting focus will be the NHS and I'm happy to vote for a labour that has this as its focus. Starmer for me is a safe leader for this to realistically happen.
 
Elves Corbyn is a communist because he backed Cuba, Venezuela and the PLO, he is therefore responsible for 100's if thousands of deaths. I never noticed him chatting to the Loyalists in Ulster.
Go on I want to hear his right wing policies, you are no worse than a bloke who reads the Mail for his politics.

To get socialist policies you have to win elections, your commies have no idea how to.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Are you serious.. Jesus christ. The guy is directly responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis' which led to a complete destabilisation of the middle East which is still happening today.

His NHS scandals, he essentially gave rise to brexit and Farage in his dealings with the EU, he even had his own Cummings sitting in cabinet meetings FFS.
Not to mention being super bff's with George and spending more time in Congress than any PM ever to cheer him on.
He also enriched himself massively, let's not forget the Kuwaiti government paying him untold millions for a 'speech' which was never released and just happened to happen after invading Iraq. He maybe saved lives, and maybe cost lives. He destabilised Iraq, but it was never stable to begin with. He caused West-middle-east tensions, but they were already there and growing. That's the balanced reality.

Your ignorance is beyond frustrating.
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Come on, this is one of those lazy 'facts' that are used to beat Blair. Even if we didn't go in to Iraq, the Americans still would have, and on their own, they probably would have been more destructive. Apart from that, lets be honest here, Saddam was a vicious tyrant murdering his own people. He murdered the Kurds in their thousands, and if the west had done nothing, he would have been emboldened to carry on. Simply saying that Blair is responsible for all the deaths that occurred is really not a fair, balanced or rational analysis. Let's not forget also, that the vast majority of Tories voted with him to go to war with Iraq, this wasn't a government decision, but a parliament consensus.

All PMs have enriched themselves in some way, in fact most MPs have. So that isn't something specific against him.

I agree that he made some terrible mistakes around the NHS, particularly PFI, but a balanced view is that it was a more more functional healthcare system than when he took over. Same could be said for schools and police too. They all vastly improved under Blair, not that he alone should take the plaudits, but he enabled it.

Finally I would say, when people ask me when the golden age of modern Britain is, it's actually those mid to late 90s Blair years. The economy was booming, for all, the NHS was healthy, British music, art, fashion, were all peaking. The Premier League become an international destination for Brazilian and Italian internationals, there was generally a feel good factor around the country. No PM is whiter than white, but the Blair years have been smeared and history rewritten by those that don't want you to remember the good times.
 
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