Sir Keir Starmer self-isolating

Lefty said:
I think in the end Corbyn was the leader the billionaires and right wing media wanted, though he gave them an almighty shock for a while.

As for Starmer, I think his legal career can tell you a lot.

https://www.thelawyer.com/keir-starmer-25-years-of-coverage-in-the-lawyer/
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No absolutely not. Corbyn was feared by the people you mention and the billionaire owned media, The BoD, the LFI and right wing Labour MPs combined to get rid of him. The mud slinging started from day one. It is naive in the extreme to believe that Corbyn was their man. As for Starmer's career; being a human rights lawyer is extremely lucrative, it's not like being a citizens advice guy.

Lefty said:
And it is time to stop this nonsense that Starmer is a 'zionist' as in he is somehow in favour of Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people.
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If you think this nonsense must stop then the buck lies with Starmer himself who declared that he was a zionist. Have you ever heard him defend Palestine or its people? I haven't. I do know that he took a huge donation from a wealthy zionist and refused to declare it until after the election result.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
No absolutely not. Corbyn was feared by the people you mention and the billionaire owned media, The BoD, the LFI and right wing Labour MPs combined to get rid of him. The mud slinging started from day one. It is naive in the extreme to believe that Corbyn was their man. As for Starmer's career; being a human rights lawyer is extremely lucrative, it's not like being a citizens advice guy.

If you think this nonsense must stop then the buck lies with Starmer himself who declared that he was a zionist. Have you ever heard him defend Palestine or its people? I haven't. I do know that he took a huge donation from a wealthy zionist and refused to declare it until after the election result.
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You didn't read the Middle East Eye article I linked to, did you?

'Considering the furore that the discussion over Israel, Palestine and antisemitism has caused in the Labour Party in the last five years, Starmer has been keen to try and neutralise the issue.

Starmer hesitated - unlike others - to describe himself as a Zionist during a Labour leadership hustings and later told Jewish News that the term meant "slightly different things to different people, and… to some extent it has been weaponised".

He also told the Jewish Chronicle, however, that “if the definition of ‘Zionist’ is someone who believes in the state of Israel, in that sense I’m a Zionist”.

Starmer is a member of Labour Friends of Palestine and the Middle East (LFPME), and supports a two-state solution to the conflict. He condemned US President Donald Trump's "deal of the century" plan for the region as "a farce" and as "inconsistent with international law and human rights protections."

He has appointed Lisa Nandy, chair of LFPME, as shadow foreign secretary. Nandy was criticised by pro-Israel groups for signing a series of pledges by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, including backing the right for Palestinians to return to homes from which they were expelled during the 1948 war, and an arms embargo on Israel.'

Please stop this nonsense, look at things in context, otherwise you are only helping the Tories.
 
I have read the link now and It is merely an article in The Lawyer, stating what a good human rights lawyer he is. I was/am prepared to give Starmer a chance. I said that from the start. However he has done absolutely nothing to convince me that he is anything other than an establishment stooge. As for helping the Tories, Starmer has certainly done that with his lack of opposition.

"My message to the Prime Minister. I don't just want all children back at school next month, I expect them back at school. No ifs or buts, no equivocation" Starmer.

"With a growing amount of infections in a growing amount of schools and nothing being done to protect members those deaths will be the responsibility of this negligent government." Corbyn.

Give me some Starmer quotes about dodgy ppe deals, Johnson's intention to break the law, The voting down of the Grenfell amendment or Palestine.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
I have read the link now and It is merely an article in The Lawyer, stating what a good human rights lawyer he is. I was/am prepared to give Starmer a chance. I said that from the start. However he has done absolutely nothing to convince me that he is anything other than an establishment stooge. As for helping the Tories, Starmer has certainly done that with his lack of opposition.

"My message to the Prime Minister. I don't just want all children back at school next month, I expect them back at school. No ifs or buts, no equivocation" Starmer.

"With a growing amount of infections in a growing amount of schools and nothing being done to protect members those deaths will be the responsibility of this negligent government." Corbyn.

Give me some Starmer quotes about dodgy ppe deals, Johnson's intention to break the law, The voting down of the Grenfell amendment or Palestine.
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https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-middle-east-policies
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
I was/am prepared to give Starmer a chance. I said that from the start.
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I still enjoy it when he destroys Johnson at PMQ's, but he is not doing it for me as Labour leader. Outside of PMQ's he has little to say. This far into Corbyn's reign the leadership challenge plot was already well underway. Everyone was out to get him. Unlike Starmer he built a front bench that was inclusive of all sides of the party, until the Blairites all walked in a choreographed flounce, one of them on live TV for maximum effect.
Please don't conflate my disappointment in Starmer with the ill will Corbyn received, there is no comparison. Oh, and Starmer was in on it.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I'm not laying the blame for Grenfell with Khan. But I'm wanting to see him raise hell. I'm wanting to see him take action. A bunch of people burned to death in his city in their won homes, millions live in terrible housing conditions and they still haven't removed the cladding.
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On the issue of the cladding my understanding is that the latest bill meant there was no legal obligation by landlords to remove cladding like that used at Grenfell, so there’s not a lot Khan can do beyond keep raising the issue, it’s a common problem of National politics overriding local politics and blurring the lines of responsibility.

On Starmer, I think he’s playing the long game during pandemic but his control and clinical dissection of Johnson at PMQ’s impress some, others see it as a coldness and lacking in passion, I think a more aggressive approach occasionally wouldn’t harm his popularity.
 
Lefty said:
And it is time to stop this nonsense that Starmer is a 'zionist' as in he is somehow in favour of Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/labour-leader-keir-starmer-middle-east-policies
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Typical right wing propoganda, Corbyn became unelectable because he hates the oppression from the israeli govmnt. Starmer, they try and claim he supports the right wing govmnt in the hope that it makes him unelectable to lefties. Meanwhile the Tories are quite happy to support oppression through the eons from actively getting involved in supporting apartheid to bombing campaigns and supporting the israeli gvmnt.
 
1finny said:
I've no idea whether Khan is good or bad but, I suspect, the good folk of London do. If he gets re elected that ought to be enough for those living outside London.

On the Starmer front - anectodal, I know, but a number of Tory voters I was with at the weekend would have voted Labour had he been in charge and said they will do so at the next election.
Your point on Question time is spot on - he crucifies Johnson but, so what. Few people watch and are interested.
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The guy has zero charisma and really needs to remember that the Commons is a bear pit not Court 1 at the Old Bailey
 
Hicktonpen10 said:
The guy has zero charisma and really needs to remember that the Commons is a bear pit not Court 1 at the Old Bailey
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This isn't Britains Got Talent. I really don't care that much about the charisma of the PM, I care about the competency. Johnson being the perfect example of why my view is the right way to view this.
 
Hicktonpen10 said:
The guy has zero charisma and really needs to remember that the Commons is a bear pit not Court 1 at the Old Bailey
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Starmer only became Labour leader during the lockdown so he hasn't had the opportunity to play to the audience.
He's doing just fine or would you prefer that he acts like Johnson, continually turning around to seek affirmation from empty benches?
 
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