Simon Dolan Court Hearing

Just a couple of points....

1. The Spanish government was very careful to use the right mechanism to impose lock down here. They invoked something called a state of alarm. Managing to carry this all the way through to late June. Even though at times there was opposition from other parties in central and regional governments.

2. A little at a tangent.

For me this is something well worth crowdfunding. I have donated to support this effort.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/care-home-deaths/
 
Alvez_48 said:
I think you will find many people who actually educate themselves that lockdown is the wrong thing to do.
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Really?

I've semi educated myself and from what I can tell, at this stage, the majority expert opinion and the data suggest lockdown was much more successful a policy than not implementing lockdown.

What am I missing?
 
Lefty said:
Really?

I've semi educated myself and from what I can tell, at this stage, the majority expert opinion and the data suggest lockdown was much more successful a policy than not implementing lockdown.

What am I missing?
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Please point me to your research that shows lockdown was a successful policy in the UK?
 
Alvez_48 said:
Please point me to your research that shows lockdown was a successful policy in the UK?
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Well, there are a couple of problems with that.

1. We didn't implement it very well
2. There is plenty of data comparing countries that went in to lockdown earlier and stricter have managed the pandemic better so far.

You first made the claim 'I think you will find many people who actually educate themselves that lockdown is the wrong thing to do' so the onus is surely on you to go first.

I'm not sure if you thought my post #22 is a dig, it really isn't, it's a genuine enquiry.
 
Lefty said:
Well, there are a couple of problems with that.

1. We didn't implement it very well
2. There is plenty of data comparing countries that went in to lockdown earlier and stricter have managed the pandemic better so far.

You first made the claim 'I think you will find many people who actually educate themselves that lockdown is the wrong thing to do' so the onus is surely on you to go first.

I'm not sure if you thought my post #22 is a dig, it really isn't, it's a genuine enquiry.
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Well I'd argue that our lockdown policy hasn't worked because our economy is in absolute tatters our curve is following the same line as somewhere like Sweden that didn't lockdown and there are Nobel prize winners, virologists, epidemiologists that argue the lockdown has a prolonged negative impact on all of us.
(These can be found littered in the meanwhile in Sweden thread and the coronavirus good news thread)

I agree with your point 1. But point 2. I think we have to wait sometime to see.

New Zealand might be able to keep its flight restrictions in place for a couple of years but the UK can't we're one of the global hubs of the world.

I personally hope that because our lockdown has been so ineffective when we open up there won't be a big spike or second wave (although winter worries me and I urge you all to supplement your vit D intake).

Anyway onto the match, UTB!! 💪
 
Alvez_48 said:
Please do point me to where I said that my friend.
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You said that with a bit of education we'd find that the lockdown was the wrong thing to do.

You then use the ineffectiveness of the UK lockdown as your reasoning.

Hence, with hindsight you wouldn't have bothered trying - or am I reading that wrong?

I assume a more effective lockdown would have been the right thing to do - but that presupposes that the failures were due to incompetence not malice.
 
Scrote said:
You said that with a bit of education we'd find that the lockdown was the wrong thing to do.

You then use the ineffectiveness of the UK lockdown as your reasoning.

Hence, with hindsight you wouldn't have bothered trying - or am I reading that wrong?

I assume a more effective lockdown would have been the right thing to do - but that presupposes that the failures were due to incompetence not malice.
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I'd replace 'malice' with 'policy' or 'strategy'.
 
Alvez_48 said:
I think you will find many people who actually educate themselves that lockdown is the wrong thing to do.
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I think you will find many people who actually educate themselves that lockdown is the right thing to do for the country, but not for one or two individuals who are only interested in themselves
 
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Follow up tweet says his legal team are reviewing the changes over the weekend and will specify what's changed Monday morning.
 
Malaguena said:
I think you will find many people who actually educate themselves that lockdown is the right thing to do for the country, but not for one or two individuals who are only interested in themselves
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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rave-cafes-pubs-coronavirus-covid-19#comments

Read the comments in this article the only people sounding irrational are the lockdown forever crowd.

You're retired in Spain, the young generation is already paying for a vast list of generational problems from climate change to house price inflation.

You now expect those same people and younger to pay with their future education and employment prospects.

You don't for one second think of all the people who've been in isolation in flats trying to look after children worried sick about their job or for the elderly kept away from visitors, literally kept in a room for 24 hours by themselves.

How dare you say its one or two individuals thinking of themselves.
 
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Alvez_48 said:
the lockdown forever properly crowd
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FTFY

You do realise that if the lockdown had been implemented fully and early then we would have been able to ease restrictions long before now.

Perversely, it's the lockdown never crowd who've managed to create the circumstances that have meant the lockdown persisting for so long.

We're now coming out of lockdown in a much worse position than other countries who came out earlier. We're also highly likely going to need more spot closures a la Leicester as time goes on - possibly a full lockdown again. Which will be fun when the rest of the world (with some notable exceptions) are back to normal.
 
As always there's only one winner the legal system .
The post office scandal has shown what a waste of time and effort the legal system is.
 
Scrote said:
FTFY

You do realise that if the lockdown had been implemented fully and early then we would have been able to ease restrictions long before now.

Perversely, it's the lockdown never crowd who've managed to create the circumstances that have meant the lockdown persisting for so long.

We're now coming out of lockdown in a much worse position than other countries who came out earlier. We're also highly likely going to need more spot closures a la Leicester as time goes on - possibly a full lockdown again. Which will be fun when the rest of the world (with some notable exceptions) are back to normal.
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Nonsense based on 0 evidence
 
Scrote said:
FTFY

You do realise that if the lockdown had been implemented fully and early then we would have been able to ease restrictions long before now.

Perversely, it's the lockdown never crowd who've managed to create the circumstances that have meant the lockdown persisting for so long.

We're now coming out of lockdown in a much worse position than other countries who came out earlier. We're also highly likely going to need more spot closures a la Leicester as time goes on - possibly a full lockdown again. Which will be fun when the rest of the world (with some notable exceptions) are back to normal.
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You say this like every country in the world had a lockdown.

Except they didn't.

But you already knew that.

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The problem with the U.K. is the lockdown came too late. It still will have prevented deaths

Countries who locked down early prove that you can suppress it with few deaths

Would you rather have live in Sweden or Denmark
 
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