Should NATO send troops to help Ukraine?

Should NATO send troops to help Ukraine?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 22.7%

  • No

    Votes: 85 77.3%
  • Total voters
    110
br14 said:
Realpolitik. I don't think starting a nuclear war is a good idea. So understanding why Putin is doing what he's doing is vital to get a positive outcome (as opposed to blowing everyone to bits). Half the posters on here don't seem to realise Russia couldn't possibly sustain a shooting war with the USA so would need to resort to first tactical, then strategic nuclear weapons if backed into a corner. Of which they have over 6000 by the way. More than enough to blow everyone to bits on the planet. And 70 submarines that are somewhere under the oceans just waiting for the command to fire their missiles.

A little caution might be called for. Putin has already implicitly threatened all out nuclear war.
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Agree with that post. I withdraw my snarky previous remark.
 
Putin planned the attack on Ukraine knowing full well it's not a NATO country, and as such there is not a treaty to require us to militarily defend its integrity.

As such he knows, as a nuclear power, that he can get away with it. If we interfere in his battle, regardless of the rule of "international law", we will be attacking Russia and provoking nuclear confrontation and MAD.

Putin has already come out and said in as many words that if the west gets involved he's going to nuke us.
 
It's a fairly pointless question. Ukraine is not a NATO member and it's crystal clear from everything that has been said and done by Western leaders so far that none if them is even remotely interested in getting into an armed conflict in Ukraine.

So no matter what any of us might want, it's not going to happen.
 
TheBlueButterfly said:
British special forces are already in the Ukraine.
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Hitchen's Razor applies.

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

Or to put it another way, "The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim."

Unless you can provide evidence of this claim it it can (and should) be dismissed out of hand.
 
Nato asked Ukraine to decommission its nuclear armaments with the promise that they would be protected against Russian invasion.

We should not be standing idly by. At the minimum we should supply all the equipment, financial and humanitarian aid that is requested. Further more we should isolate putin in every way possible, financially, socially and eject them from the world stage.
 
Putins biggest threat will be from within, they are repelling protests for now but I think this time is different, none of the Russian people want this war, there will be a tipping point.
 
If NATO troops go to fight Russians you are playing into Putin's rhetoric of (minority) Russians under attack in Ukraine.

Putin is a nasty dictator, but its wrong for people to say he is behaving and/or is motivated the same as Hitler. Hitler was insane.
 
Redwurzel said:
If NATO troops go to fight Russians you are playing into Putin's rhetoric of (minority) Russians under attack in Ukraine.

Putin is a nasty dictator, but its wrong for people to say he is behaving and/or is motivated the same as Hitler. Hitler was insane.
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You're really trying to say Putin's not insane? Did you see that spectacle where he was forcing the government to swear allegiance?
 
Redwurzel said:
If NATO troops go to fight Russians you are playing into Putin's rhetoric of (minority) Russians under attack in Ukraine.

Putin is a nasty dictator, but its wrong for people to say he is behaving and/or is motivated the same as Hitler. Hitler was insane.
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Oh, I don't know - Putin is showing a lot of the same characteristics as Hitler these days. He also seems to pursuing pretty much the same kind of policy aims, and using the same brutal methods to achieve them, as Hitler did.

I think the protestor in the photo below may well sum up a lot of people's thoughts about this whole situation.

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Redwurzel said:
If NATO troops go to fight Russians you are playing into Putin's rhetoric of (minority) Russians under attack in Ukraine.

Putin is a nasty dictator, but its wrong for people to say he is behaving and/or is motivated the same as Hitler. Hitler was insane.
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Have you read the Times article on the thread entitled, "Putin's Mental State"?

As it says:

... seasoned Kremlin watchers say that the Russian leader has largely been a recluse for the past two years, retreating into paranoid exile from the world.
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It also quotes a former Kremlin aide who was previously close to Putin, as follows:

“The previous Putin would not have done this. He was a very sane-thinking person. But this has all vanished now. He has an obsession about Ukraine that he didn’t previously have. He is reacting now to the pictures in his own head.”
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So that person, who knows (or knew) Putin well, thinks he's no longer "a sane-thinking person."

Which is basically another way of saying he's insane.

In another eerie parallel to Hitler, that article also describes how he has withdrawn from contract with the normal government bureaucracy and officials, in favour of surrounding himself with a small coterie of hard-line advisers who reinforce his own paranoid views of the world.
 
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