Shamima Begum

Randy said:
Question for those in favour of her return.

Say she did come back, served a bit of time in prison (minimum or maximum security) and was eventually let out because let's face it the justice system in this country is a joke, she then goes on to facilitate or become part of a terrorist plot that kills many many people. Do your thoughts change then?
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what if people we aren’t criminals now.. turn out to be criminals.. what then?
 
Tbh if she did come back she’d surely have to change her name and appearance (again). She’s about the most famous woman in Britain since the Queen died.

I do have some empathy for her, and I worry about this stripping of citizenship, but I’m not sure she could just slot back into society.
 
Muttley said:
Have you never been wrong about anything? Say when you were a child?
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It doesn't even matter mutley. His post misses the point completely. Face fuzz along with lots of posters on this thread don't see or don't care, more likely, that the uk completely failed to safeguard a child and are happy for her to have her citizenship stripped from her.

The same people will be calling others knuckle daggers in another post and completely fail to see the hypocrisy because they are too stupid.
 
Randy said:
Question for those in favour of her return.

Say she did come back, served a bit of time in prison (minimum or maximum security) and was eventually let out because let's face it the justice system in this country is a joke, she then goes on to facilitate or become part of a terrorist plot that kills many many people. Do your thoughts change then?
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Of course they would. Don't see how that has any relevance though.
You could say that about any offender.
 
Randy said:
Question for those in favour of her return.

Say she did come back, served a bit of time in prison (minimum or maximum security) and was eventually let out because let's face it the justice system in this country is a joke, she then goes on to facilitate or become part of a terrorist plot that kills many many people. Do your thoughts change then?
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I am so disappointed in you Randy.
 
If she had left the UK to the join the Hitler Youth in 1939 and did not denounce their form of fascism would people be happy to have her return?

A knagging doubt with this case is that she was 15 when she left. Is that old enough to make adult decisons?

I also feel really emotionally sorry she has lost 3 children.

I certainly would want to know a lot about her current beliefs and thoughts on ISIS and similar groups. ISIS seems to be a complete distortion of Muslim followers - does she agree. What does she think about the current Taliban? Does she blame anyone for the deaths of her children? if so who?

I have added this from what Wikipedia says her father has said "In February 2019, her father Ahmed Ali said, "If she at least admitted she made a mistake then I would feel sorry for her and other people would feel sorry for her, but she does not accept her wrong." Begum reacted by stating that she regretted speaking to the media and said the UK is making an example out of her."
The source for this is the Independent a generally anti-Tory media organisation.

If this is true I find this concerning.

If I had been radicalised as a 15 year old and later as a 23 year old adult made the decison I had been redicalised I would denounce those beliefs. Wouldn't everybody on this board?
 
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Laughing said:
It doesn't even matter mutley. His post misses the point completely. Face fuzz along with lots of posters on this thread don't see or don't care, more likely, that the uk completely failed to safeguard a child and are happy for her to have her citizenship stripped from her.

The same people will be calling others knuckle daggers in another post and completely fail to see the hypocrisy because they are too stupid.
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She was 19 or 20 years old when she made those comments. She has no remorse.
 
Laughing said:
It doesn't even matter mutley. His post misses the point completely. Face fuzz along with lots of posters on this thread don't see or don't care, more likely, that the uk completely failed to safeguard a child and are happy for her to have her citizenship stripped from her.

The same people will be calling others knuckle daggers in another post and completely fail to see the hypocrisy because they are too stupid.
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This.

It's the 'muzzy' effect. Anyone Islamic is not to be trusted. The spread of fear, misinformation that and hatred that Hitler thrived on.

Labelling a 15 year old girl trafficked for sex as a terrorist who 'committed atrocities' without a shred of proof.

Shameful
 
Facefuzz said:
Cheers mate.
I do hate what she stands for.
I’m glad there’s prejudice against what she stands for.
I must be a pr*ck because my views are different to yours and you are obviously correct
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We aren't friends.

I hate what ISIS stood for, I felt sympathy for a child who had been brainwashed into thinking that was a better way of life. That constitutes a failing on the part of government and us as a country.

We say that people aren't smart enough at 15 to vote, have sex, drive a car or drink alcohol, but they are smart enough to make a properly informed choice about joining a terrorist organisation? Gimme a break.

I didn't call you a pr*ck because we have differing views, I called you it because of your attitude in how you wrote this.

she’s not here and not allowed back. Makes us safer by that simple fact
- I’m not sure but at-least they will know the score before they go and can’t come back whinging
- she did go full hijab to start, at the same time as saying she had no regrets. It wasn’t working so she got straight on vinted (probably after some advice from her legal team) and bought a load of Charva gear.

Everyone makes mistakes, and she was a child when she made hers. We've all said and done things we regret. All we have done by denying her citizenship and leaving her unwanted is confirm her belief that she was right to leave. Imagine if we took her back, helped her and showed her the much vaunted compassion that unfortunately seems to be missing from this thread and the UK in general. How can that not be a better way to act and behave to a fellow human being?
 
Facefuzz said:
She was 19 or 20 years old when she said that
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Most people grow and change their opinions, their beliefs and address their prejudices.

Plainly you have never had to live with an error of judgement or behaviour. It must be lovely in that ivory tower just lobbing brickbats at young people.
 
John67 said:
i Have to say I agree with the decision. What happens if she is allowed back and she, or those around her uses her infamy as a tool to radicalise others? Other Terror Groups could also tell those they are grooming, ‘if it all goes pear shaped they can just come home‘. So despite my misgivings, I can’t see how a UK Government can allow her back in. That goes for any returning Jihadi.
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It's a shame that around 450 have been allowed back already by the Tories.
 
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