Sean Dyche
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TeaCider
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Yeah, but Bournemouth were largely bottom feeders, it's not a surprise that an effective but unattractive manager could manage a result against them.
TeaCider
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Karanka's football was awful to watch in the Premier League, and largely unaffective.
Being better to watch is low praise in that regard.
Karanka was brilliant for us in the Championship, but even then there were plenty of complaints about his style.
festa5
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I don't even think Burnley were better to watch that season. We were both very negative, difference was Burnley leant into it and got results.
We persisted with trying to play on the deck but didn't have anything like the players to do that.
Most matches I'm pretty sure Burnley had very low possession, very few shots but just kept scraping 1-0s because they sat deep and weren't afraid to put it in the mixer.
The style was just as dreadful to watch though, it was just more effective.
They were probably a bit more expansive in subsequent seasons as they improved personnel. But still very direct and dependent on grinding out the 1-0 wins.
Frozen Horse
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I do think there are stereotypes that we impose on managers: if you're English, over 50 and never played top flight football, you're clearly a long ball manager regardless of how your team actually plays. Especially so if you have grey hair too.
Meanwhile, if you have an exotic name, your football is obviously a joy to watch, unless you're that guy who took Barnsley to the playoffs 2 years back.
As for Dyche, I'll never blame managers of smaller clubs for doing what they have to to get results against richer clubs. Makes it as hard as you can for them, no matter how much the likes of Wenger sneer and complain that the opposition should play the way his teams wants.
Meanwhile, if you have an exotic name, your football is obviously a joy to watch, unless you're that guy who took Barnsley to the playoffs 2 years back.
As for Dyche, I'll never blame managers of smaller clubs for doing what they have to to get results against richer clubs. Makes it as hard as you can for them, no matter how much the likes of Wenger sneer and complain that the opposition should play the way his teams wants.
Ipad1977
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But that's just it. He couldn't win the treble with Everton.
And if by some planetary realignment, other dimension $hit he did, then there's no way he would be playing the grinding out results, hoofball, cloggers game.
ForssAwakens
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He’s nothing like Sam allardyce, lazy to say that
Big_Nothing
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I think his treatment of Bamford sums him up for me. He genuinely told the lad he was right footed despite the fact he isn't. Told him to line up with the right footed forwards in a training drill and when he pointed out he wasn't right footed Dyche argued with him over it.
Told him he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth because he believed this nonsense that his dad is a billionaire and his parents came to see him sign his Burnley contract.
Might be a good man manager for the dog like folk among us who just want a strong presence to lean into and be bossed around by but I don't think he would take well to having players who challenge him even indirectly.
Not a fan but I imagine he'll see Everton comfortable enough, stabilise them but sign players any progressive manager wouldn't want by the time the locals demand someone more high profile.
Told him he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth because he believed this nonsense that his dad is a billionaire and his parents came to see him sign his Burnley contract.
Might be a good man manager for the dog like folk among us who just want a strong presence to lean into and be bossed around by but I don't think he would take well to having players who challenge him even indirectly.
Not a fan but I imagine he'll see Everton comfortable enough, stabilise them but sign players any progressive manager wouldn't want by the time the locals demand someone more high profile.
Lemmy_kilmister
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Zoophonic
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Bamford can be a prickly sod though. Wasn’t he the one who was instigating the bad feelings against Marsch?
Bamford labelled a ‘joke’ by Sutton over Marsch criticism
Marsch was sacked on Monday after a run of seven games without a win
www.independent.co.uk
CaptainsArmband04
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Honest question, where did you hear that?
It’s hard to know until you work with someone what they’re really like but I could imagine this would be something he would do.
Doesn’t seem like a bloke who likes to be challenged does he. Could be wrong though
CaptainsArmband04
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Maybe naive to do this from Paddy but I thought Chris Sutton made himself look like ‘a joke’ here.Bamford can be a prickly sod though. Wasn’t he the one who was instigating the bad feelings against Marsch?
Bamford labelled a ‘joke’ by Sutton over Marsch criticism
Marsch was sacked on Monday after a run of seven games without a win
Bamford seemed honest about something tactical wise and he’s picked it up and ran with it a bit hasn’t he
Proper crucified him. It’s no wonder we get vanilla style media trained answers from 95% of football people
He is a bit of a Pulis, has a great run at an average team (Stoke for Pulis, Burnley for Dyche). Takes them further than they probably thought possible - Clubs expectation increases, type of player they buy changes and eventually it comes to an end. They get linked with bigger clubs and then essentially become top of the list for the teams regularly in places 10 - 17 - usually when a relegation scrap is on the cards.
Everton are in survival mode and the fans are in the mood of we would rather see someone sliding in and kicking lumps out of someone to show they care. Dyche fits the needs of Everton perfectly and will probably get them safe with a few games spare. Test comes when he gets rid of the deadwood, is given a budget he has never seen before and the expectation that Everton have.
I don't particularly mind him but he will repeat the cycle for a few more years before people realist his style and approach are finished - See Bruce, Big Sam, Pulis etc
Everton are in survival mode and the fans are in the mood of we would rather see someone sliding in and kicking lumps out of someone to show they care. Dyche fits the needs of Everton perfectly and will probably get them safe with a few games spare. Test comes when he gets rid of the deadwood, is given a budget he has never seen before and the expectation that Everton have.
I don't particularly mind him but he will repeat the cycle for a few more years before people realist his style and approach are finished - See Bruce, Big Sam, Pulis etc
Big_Nothing
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I'm pretty sure Patrick doesn't mind people repeating it as I'm 90% certain he mentioned it in the press at some point.
Didn't like the lad from the minute he walked in the door with his parents. His loss was our gain, until the OG Dyche got rid of him to Leeds of all sides.
CaptainsArmband04
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I’m sure he doesn’t , I just wondered where you heard it.
Quick google and looks like it was a Leeds coach that thought his dad was a billionaire. Him and Dyche ‘clashed’ but they’re both calm about it now. He accused him of having it all handed to him in life or along those lines. Bamford said he can’t argue with his success and Dyche praised his career in the season he was scoring lots at Leeds.
Pretty sure we bought him and sold him to Leeds.
OG = original gangsta?
Big_Nothing
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If it isn't in the media then maybe I shouldn't have said it and it sounds made up but I can't say I'm that bothered.
OG = Original.
We did buy him but then Pulis was happy for us to get shot of him to Leeds when he should have been our main man.
*Turns out my memory is hazy and it was actually a coach under Pardew at Palace*
Hold my hands up. Apologies to Mr Dyche.
Big_Nothing
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Sutton is rank like.