Repeat after me ‘bald, fraud’

It's crackers how anyone can't rate Pep as one of the best managers in the world.

He will probably go down as the most decorated manager ever and arguably the greatest manager ever.

He doesn't just win trophies, he transforms teams into powerhouses, whilst trying to play breathtaking football.

You don't break all these types of records (points achieved, consecutive winning runs, goals scored...list is endless) in different countries if you're not an unbelievable manager.
 
Takes a very special man to manage and motivate dozens of multi-millionaires with huge egos and keep them as one team.
Very few can do that and very few have the persoanlity for it.
It may be the case that Pep might not perform with an Everton or a Southampton etc but so what.
To suggest he's not a top manager is just stupid.
 
These arguments about what makes a good manager, success with top players or building young players up from scratch always makes me think of Bruce Rioch. He absolutely saved the Boro from implosion by taking a set of young players who were willing to take on board everything he said and turned them into very good players - see how many of the 86 team got international recognition - that was what he was brilliant at.

However when players thought they deserved to be treated in a different manner as they had proved themselves (players he already had as well as Davenport), he was less skilled at this, so I don't think he would ever be a real trophy winning success at a top club.

Would Pep have been better for Boro in 86? Not a chance. Is Bruce a better manager than Pep, I don't think so.
 
Jury's still out for me. Fantastic record at Barcelona but underachieved at Bayern, where he took the European and world champions to not the European and world champions. Good domestic record at City but he has a bigger net spend than any other club in the world over the period. Still no Champions League. It's all relative but we're not talking Barclay's Manager of the Month here. He needs to be winning multiple Champions League titles at City with the resources available. He's clearly A top manager but I'm not sure he's THE top manager.
 
I'm not saying Pep isn't a good manager but if he wants to be classed as one of the greatest then he needs to show us he can transform teams without being given money to spend like there is no tomorrow or inheriting a team of global superstars that are already winners.

Why did Pep not win the CL with Bayern Munich?
Why has Pep not won the CL with Man City?
Why has Pep never won the best FIFA Men's Coach Award? Klopp has won it twice at Liverpool.
Why has Pep never won the FIFA World Coach Award while in charge of Bayern Munich or Man City? Klopp has won it twice at Liverpool.

Pep has done some great things in his time as a manager but you have to look at the bigger picture.
 
I think the true mark of a managerial genius is coming up with a whole new way of playing football, which is uniquely yours, and influencing / transforming the whole game.

I copied and pasted Pep’s managerial trophies in the original thread where good old Pog called Guardiola a bald fraud - it was longer than the Bible - but the ones that people overlook are the ones Spain won between 2008-2012.

Of course he wasn’t manager, but that was 9 Barcelona players, playing Barcelona’s exact system, and they won 2 Euros and a World Cup. They were unbeatable and no-one had ever played quite like that before.

Of course a great manager needs great players who are their disciples, but Guardiola deserves an equal amount of credit for moulding them into the players they became. Xavi, Iniesta, De Bruyne weren’t born playing like that (though Messi probably was!)

I do think if anything Klopp’s achievements are almost as impressive, taking two clubs who were a bit below the standard and transforming them into magnificent teams. But for me no question that Guardiola is the genius manager of our time, just like Alex Ferguson was for the generation before.
 
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I think the true mark of a managerial genius is coming up with a whole new way of playing football, which is uniquely yours, and influencing / transforming the whole game.

I copied and pasted Pep’s managerial trophies in the original thread where good old Pog called Guardiola a bald fraud - it was longer than the Bible - but the ones that people overlook are the ones Spain won between 2008-2012.

Of course he wasn’t manager, but that was 9 Barcelona players, playing Barcelona’s exact system, and they won 2 Euros and a World Cup. They were unbeatable and no-one had ever played quite like that before.

Of course a great manager needs great players who are their disciples, but Guardiola deserves an equal amount of credit for moulding them into the players they became. Xavi, Iniesta, De Bruyne weren’t born playing like that (though Messi probably was!)

I do think if anything Klopp’s achievements are almost as impressive, taking two clubs who were a bit below the standard and transforming them into magnificent teams. But for me no question that Guardiola is the genius manager of our time, just like Alex Ferguson was for the generation before.
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Didn’t Germany win major honours while he was managing Bayern and England have had their most successful period in the international scene in a very long time
 
It's strange that people are trying to claim Guardiola isn't quite an all time great. Using the Champions League argument isn't fair either. That completely ignores the fact that Europe has several quality teams all capable of winning the tournament.

Guardiola has changed the way football is perceived in England probably as much as Wenger did.
 
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It’s a bizarre argument some have that Pep has to manage Accrington Stanley or somewhere to prove himself. He got the jobs at Barca, Bayern and City because he is one of the best managers in the world.

The importance of a manager who knows what they are doing was evidenced by how much Chelsea improved when Tuchel took over from Lampard.

It’s like arguing Lewis Hamilton or Verstappen need to win a Grand Prix in a Ford Fiesta to evidence they are good drivers. The reality is the best drivers get the fastest cars just like how the best managers get the top clubs.
 
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