Red Faction - Ticket Price Statement

We were in a final 8 years ago.


But do you agree that ST sales are vital to the club in terms of budgeting and forecasting, hence why there has to be a clear saving compared to match by match?
 
How do other clubs including some premier league clubs compete with lower ticket prices than ours?

I’ve been to loads of games across Europe and probably 90% of the time paid less for a walk up ticket than at Boro. Amazing how all of these clubs manage to compete with reasonable ticket prices but if we offered the same prices we would suddenly be playing in the same league as Blyth
I can’t answer that but I can have a stab at it, Boro pump a lot of money into wages, transfer fees yes but we also pump loads into the academy and training ground facilities. We need to offset limited advertising opportunities as we tend to use a lot of local business for advertising. Just a few things that I think contribute to the pricing.
 
It doesnt matter if he have the highest prices and the 4th highest attendances, My question is, who do people think should be paying for it as it doesn't pay for itself?
Why doesn't it matter? People are saying we need to increase the prices to compete but we already bring in as much money as most other clubs, if we can't compete on that then something is fundamentally wrong at the club.
 
How do other clubs including some premier league clubs compete with lower ticket prices than ours?

I’ve been to loads of games across Europe and probably 90% of the time paid less for a walk up ticket than at Boro. Amazing how all of these clubs manage to compete with reasonable ticket prices but if we offered the same prices we would suddenly be playing in the same league as Blyth

Well I think there’s 3 options

a) cheap as chips ticket prices, and we find our place in the football pyramid, as a small working class town in the north east - probably lower end of the championship

b) we charge more, and get better players in by paying them a premium wage or being able to pay more in fees, or by developing then in our high quality academy

c) we ask Gibbo just to subsidise everything and we get the best of both worlds
 
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Why doesn't it matter? People are saying we need to increase the prices to compete but we already bring in as much money as most other clubs, if we can't compete on that then something is fundamentally wrong at the club.
What I'm saying is that our finances clearly show, the club doesn't pay for its self, this being the case who should pay or what should be sacrificed? This unfortunately is the current football model across the game.It is fundamentally wrong and we're just a part of it, and while we are, someone has to pay for it and if its not those who want to go, who should it be.
 
I think season ticket costs should be higher so walk ups can be lower. Season ticket holders are being subsidised. Pensioners as well shouldn't be getting discounts. They aren't the poorest demographic anymore. They have the same disposable income in average as working age people.

Anyone I ever see argue that it is acceptable that walk ups are priced so highly so we can compete in the transfer market is almost always a season ticket holder and paying less than £20 per game. They should be happy to see their costs increase significantly.

If they think that prices have to be high because "that's business" then I don't understand how they can think that season tickets shouldn't be an extra £5 per game. Any other business understands that attracting new customers is the hardest thing to do which is why they all have discounts. The most loyal customers will pay whatever so it doesn't even make good business sense to give them the biggest discount. Mental that people that would pay £40 if they had to are getting in for less than £20. Do we not employ anyone that understands price elasticity?
 
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What I'm saying is that our finances clearly show, the club doesn't pay for its self, this being the case who should pay or what should be sacrificed? This unfortunately is the current football model across the game.It is fundamentally wrong and we're just a part of it, and while we are, someone has to pay for it and if its not those who want to go, who should it be.
That's the same for every single club in this division, no reason why a place like Middlesbrough should have the highest prices.
 
The walk up prices are probably subsidising the free U11 and £40 U18 tickets in the GRFZ too

A group of us all moved into this zone and some of the lads have saved a fortune over the last 5-6 years compared to sitting a few rows away in the North Stand

It does generate extra revenue though £5.20 for 2 portions of chips for a start
 
I think season ticket costs should be higher so walk ups can be lower. Season ticket holders are being subsidised. Pensioners as well shouldn't be getting discounts. They aren't the poorest demographic anymore. They have the same disposable income in average as working age people.

Anyone I ever see argue that it is acceptable that walk ups are priced so highly so we can compete in the transfer market is almost always a season ticket holder and paying less than £20 per game. They should be happy to see their costs increase significantly.

If they think that prices have to be high because "that's business" then I don't understand how they can think that season tickets shouldn't be an extra £5 per game. Any other business understands that attracting new customers is the hardest thing to do which is why they all have discounts. The most loyal customers will pay whatever so it doesn't even make good business sense to give them the biggest discount. Mental that people that would pay £40 if they had to are getting in for less than £20. Do we not employ anyone that understands price elasticity?
Are you on a wind up as your post reads as though your being serious?
Raise season ticket prices to price of walk up price?
So I get to pay £500 in March for the following seasons football, without knowing what league we’ll be in, without knowing who we’ll sign in summer, without knowing whether or not we’ll be in a relegation fight by Christmas.
 
Best football the club has played in probably 20 years and we still have thousands of empty seats. What does that tell you about our prices?
No problem for people paying those prices on Boxing Day, a full house. Boro have over 20,000 season ticket holders so they think it’s value for money. Carrick only took over in mid October after a poor start to the season, averaging 23500 per game. Since Christmas the attendance has slowly increased due to the brand of football being played. If it continues like this in the next few weeks then 28,29000 will be the norm. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a full house last game of the season
 
The cheapest season tickets are over £500 each so more than £1k for 2 adults and that’s before travel, parking, food, drink. How many working class families will realistically be able to afford that at the moment?
I beg to differ, I only paid £450 for this season in the North Stand.
 
I think season ticket costs should be higher so walk ups can be lower. Season ticket holders are being subsidised. Pensioners as well shouldn't be getting discounts. They aren't the poorest demographic anymore. They have the same disposable income in average as working age people.

Anyone I ever see argue that it is acceptable that walk ups are priced so highly so we can compete in the transfer market is almost always a season ticket holder and paying less than £20 per game. They should be happy to see their costs increase significantly.

If they think that prices have to be high because "that's business" then I don't understand how they can think that season tickets shouldn't be an extra £5 per game. Any other business understands that attracting new customers is the hardest thing to do which is why they all have discounts. The most loyal customers will pay whatever so it doesn't even make good business sense to give them the biggest discount. Mental that people that would pay £40 if they had to are getting in for less than £20. Do we not employ anyone that understands price elasticity?
I take it you aren’t a season ticket holder then. What a wind up this is.
 
So who should pay? it seems the fans of all clubs think it should be someone else but them.
Who should pay what? All clubs are in the same position, Boro fans are already charged more than anyone else. You're continually ignoring this to make some point about wider football which is irrelevant. There is no reason why Middlesbrough needs to be at the top of the price chart compared to everyone else, we should not need to be charged the most just to compete, if we do then the club is poorly operated.

Why can Blackburn, Millwall and Luton all charge way less than we do for tickets and have less than 15k through the gates yet are very competitive in this league, but Boro must raise the prices because how will they ever compete?
 
I think season ticket costs should be higher so walk ups can be lower. Season ticket holders are being subsidised. Pensioners as well shouldn't be getting discounts. They aren't the poorest demographic anymore. They have the same disposable income in average as working age people.

Anyone I ever see argue that it is acceptable that walk ups are priced so highly so we can compete in the transfer market is almost always a season ticket holder and paying less than £20 per game. They should be happy to see their costs increase significantly.

If they think that prices have to be high because "that's business" then I don't understand how they can think that season tickets shouldn't be an extra £5 per game. Any other business understands that attracting new customers is the hardest thing to do which is why they all have discounts. The most loyal customers will pay whatever so it doesn't even make good business sense to give them the biggest discount. Mental that people that would pay £40 if they had to are getting in for less than £20. Do we not employ anyone that understands price elasticity?
Couldn’t disagree more - Attracting new customers is easy - retaining loyalty is the most difficult trick for most businesses. Have a one off game against Manchester United and the tickets sell like with ease. Grafting our way back from 14,000 to 20,000 loyal ST holders takes years and years.
 
Is it though? I think a season ticket works out at about £35 a month. Or a quid a day.

If you’re working class, you’re working, and you can afford a quid a day.

If it’s the up front cost that’s the issue, put a quid a day in a jar and hey presto you’ve got a ST next season. It’s called budgeting and actually saving up for nice things in life you really want.

Are you Lee Anderson?
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That’s still 6/7k empty seats during the best run of form in years. We would sell out every game we have left if it was anywhere near affordable
Wigan on Boxing Day was a sell out of 31048. Current capacity 34742, you’ll never see that many at the Riverside due to the amount of segregation. Poor attendances by visiting teams reduces the average attendance drastically, the average attendance will only go up if we reach the Premier League as most teams will bring on average 2500 to 3000 fans
 
I think we’re generally at about 80% capacity at the riverside these days, so the pricing structure works.


I remember the dark days under Strachan and co with regular 16,000 attendances and much cheaper prices. I couldn’t give my season ticket away when I went on holiday.

We now get around 25,000 every match, so I think the issue is generally the product not the price.

It’s amazing how many “working class fans” can suddenly afford a football match when we get to a final or had a uefa cup run
Because games like that and FA Cup runs are "one-offs".
People have priorities right now - with 17% food inflation and obscene electricity and gas bills.
If you think you prove loyalty by paying more for a football match, than feeding the kids and keeping warm - you must be on another planet.
 
No problem for people paying those prices on Boxing Day, a full house. Boro have over 20,000 season ticket holders so they think it’s value for money. Carrick only took over in mid October after a poor start to the season, averaging 23500 per game. Since Christmas the attendance has slowly increased due to the brand of football being played. If it continues like this in the next few weeks then 28,29000 will be the norm. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a full house last game of the season
Boxing Day is once a year by the way (y)
 
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