Red Faction disgraceful today

h_m_boro said:
Just on a bit of a tangent, and appreciate the pyrotechnic was set off in the stands ie open air, but a couple of seasons ago my daughter was at a game where smoke was set off in the concourse and she had an asthma attack. Thankfully not serious, but sh*t her up.

So while they look nice they can affect people. Think no-one wants to go to a game and end up receiving medical attention, much rather watch the game.

Can't see this ending well for RF at all.
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Some dink set one off in the concourse at Blackburn last season.
 
parmoboy said:
It did look great and momentarily lifted the atmosphere inside the stadium.

I do agree though that for health and safety reasons, they shouldn't be letting them off inside the stadium.

Let's not turn against the Red Faction though. Without them the stadium would be like a morgue. Punish the individuals who were directly responsible and let's move on.
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The RF songs are garbage and the drum stops any other parts of the ground creating atmosphere. #banthedrum
 
I attended a fans course on pyro last year, Red Faction were also invited, I don't think they attended but they were certainly involved in discussion afterwards. There were supporters groups from all over the country I remember West Ham arguing for pyro but this was after truly alarming evidence submitted by fire and safety officers and specialists in the field.

All that red smoke that wafted over the North Stand is to varying degrees, toxic, noxious and carcinogenic.

Flares and pyro cannot easily be put out, they have their own oxygen supply, cover them in sand they continue to burn, put them in a bucket they continue to burn. Put them next to human beings and large banners and they continue to burn.

The guidance now to safety officers is to allow the devices to burn out because if you intervene you could make an already volatile device even less controllable and potentially life or limb threatening. If you put one of these things into a metal pale, it continues to burn and if the incendiary device malfunctions in anyway you have just potentially primed a dirty bomb. At the course we witnessed the power of these things if they explode; people could easily be badly injured and an explosion in a metal pale could cause multiple casualties.

The message was emphatic about these devices, they are explosive, toxic, their very nature means they are not stable. In Europe, where we have all seen them on tv etc both fans and police/stewards have been badly injured and disfigured, losing fingers and hands. Holding that flare aloft could easily trigger an asthma attack in someone standing at a distance, unwittingly taking part in a spectacular but potentially extremely serious and surely very selfish action. Tragically Wales fan John Hill lost his life after a flare struck him in 1993 in the National Stadium, Cardiff. In some ways closer to home a young nonleague fan suffered an asthma attack last year from the noxious fumes given out by pyro. Who would pay the price if someone was injured or took ill yesterday?
 
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Caesium137 said:
Utter boIIocks.

Why can't we drink pints whilst watching football in a stadium then?

Why are thousands of away fans locked in, or herded along streets against their will by the police?

Why do Sunderland limit our away allocations?
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* Its against club rules to take alcoholic drinks to your seats at the game.

* The Policing at games like Sunderland is not breaking the rules, its to preserve the safety of visiting fans and maintain public order.

* All clubs limit away fans allocations.

Switch your brain on before you start ranting.
 
coluka said:
Well anyone who refuses to criticise the serious breach of club rules by an individual, and one that was so glaringly a ’feck you, we do what we want’ statement to the club and had several people clearly assisting trying to hide the perpetrator(s) identity gives me the impression that they are condoning it in some way, actions speak louder than words on occasion. Whoever did this did not act alone and so collective responsibility has a part to play. Any innocent party can assist the club by identifying culprits if they wish. Silence helps protect the guilty.
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Where does this line of "collective responsibility" start [Complicity]. You cant round up as many people as you like and say "you were all involved". As far as I`ve deduced:
* No one has suggested "silence"?
* Idintifying culprits is perfectly legitimate.
* You cannot draw an arbitrary line and accuse people of being complicit.
 
As much as it was a stupid thing to do, many of the people around me seemed to enjoy it (south west upper) the smoke was strong up there but hardly stifling…

It created excitement in the crowd and the argy bargy as stewards tried to intervene was funny to watch, while in all seriousness it wasnt…

I think the club need to issue a warning statement but I’m not sure much action will be taken…

We could clearly see the guy holding the flare but they hid him well before and after, the only action will be a collective punishment..

They’ve had the 15 mins of fun, now let them get back to doing what they do best, creating an atmosphere…
 
Jedi boro said:
I think you’ll be surprised
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😮

tbh I personally feel it’s yesterdays news now.. I know the club need to try to prevent it happening again but I didn’t feel it was that serious an incident… but that’s only my opinion 🤷🏼‍♂️

What alarmed me most yesterday was a boro fan getting riled up as he walked in the middle of the road and had a car toot its horn to ask him to move out the way..

He did the big ‘come on then’ stance and hid behind a mate when a fellow Boro fan told him to grow up ( he looked in his 40s btw) what followed was quite embarrassing to watch, Boro fans turning on each other…
 
Boro looking to dish out a lifetime ban on an over exuberant fan going onto the pitch.......can't see them giving a "tssssk.......cheeky scamps" response to RF setting off a marine flare (or whatever it was) inside the stadium.

Could see them getting a bit brutal with RF....... especially if the club gets fined.

Doing nothing will send out the signal what RF did was fine. Not going to happen is it?
 
xxlshirts_fit_all said:
As much as it was a stupid thing to do, many of the people around me seemed to enjoy it (south west upper) the smoke was strong up there but hardly stifling…

It created excitement in the crowd and the argy bargy as stewards tried to intervene was funny to watch, while in all seriousness it wasnt…

I think the club need to issue a warning statement but I’m not sure much action will be taken…

We could clearly see the guy holding the flare but they hid him well before and after, the only action will be a collective punishment..

They’ve had the 15 mins of fun, now let them get back to doing what they do best, creating an atmosphere…
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Based on Robs response on this, around clubs interactions with safety officials and training around these type of things, then I would imagine the club will be doing a hell of a lot to identify and deal with the culprits, this is far more of a serious incident that someone jumping the barrier to celebrate a goal near the touch line.
 
fmttmadmin said:
A young lad had an asthma attack at a Chester v Telford game last year.

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Pyrotechnics: Are pyrotechnic displays becoming dangerous after a young boy suffers from an asthma attack

A young boy suffers from an asthma attack at a Non-League match after away fans set off a pyrotechnic display.
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A genuine and serious comment Rob:

Some people with photo-sensitive epilepsy which is triggered by flashing lights. The club insists on having a "disco", particularly on night matches with the floodlights.
Can you make this point at the next Fans Forum please.
I am being serious, even though only 5% of those who experience Epileptic Seizures are effected.
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Thanks mate.

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Photosensitive epilepsy | Epilepsy Society

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the_holgate_roof said:
Based on Robs response on this, around clubs interactions with safety officials and training around these type of things, then I would imagine the club will be doing a hell of a lot to identify and deal with the culprits, this is far more of a serious incident that someone jumping the barrier to celebrate a goal near the touch line.
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Exactly for such a public and flagrant breach of the clubs own rules.
 
r00fie1 said:
A genuine and serious comment Rob:

Some people with photo-sensitive epilepsy which is triggered by flashing lights. The club insists on having a "disco", particularly on night matches with the floodlights.
Can you make this point at the next Fans Forum please.
I am being serious, even though only 5% of those who experience Epileptic Seizures are effected.
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Thanks mate.

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Don’t they pre warn about this though on their T AND C as to legally cover themselves.

We have a lot of them

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