Real Madrid v Bayern

Scrote said:
He was offside for the first pass and was two yards ahead of the closest defender. The wide man getting the ball shouldn't, IMO, reset that offside - it didn't until relatively recently.

It was the fact he was behind the second ball - nothing to do with the left back.

That offside against Bayern at the end just sums up why VAR doesn't work. We'll never know if it would have been given offside had play been allowed to continue. Utter farce.
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Ah ok yes. I understand your point 👍🏻
 
Ex Footy Legs said:
Tuchel had a moment of insanity taking Kane off. Jesus

What was he thinking….there was potentially extra time..

That said, I cannot believe that var didn’t step in with the Bayern offside at the end….he looked onside
Bayern were completely robbed for me…
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Poor refereeing to not let the hame play on, but i thought he did look just offside? Not easy to tell as they didn't show a good angle
 
According to Beinsports and there technology they have analysed it and it would have been onside. Madrid caught up in yet another scandal.
 
Diego said:
According to Beinsports and there technology they have analysed and it would have been onside. Madrid caught up in yet another scandal.
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Doesn’t surprise me. The ref should not have stopped play. It’s been that way since VAR was introduced. A ridiculous decision bordering on cheating. No wonder Tuchel is not happy.
 
wilkos_perm said:
Poor refereeing to not let the hame play on, but i thought he did look just offside? Not easy to tell as they didn't show a good angle
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The player who looked offside didn't go for the ball. Muller went towards it but the defender played it deliberately. At that point (as per the RM goal) the Bayern players were all onside.

Terrible decision-making given what had already occurred and looks very much like cheating to the neutral observer.

Had it gone to VAR and been ruled offside we'd still be questioning it - and Madrid fans would be screaming if it was given.

Without VAR the game goes into extra time. VAR ruins football.
 
Seems daft that someone can be a mile behind the defender, when the ball is played to the assister, but if the player is behind the assister then all is fine.

Suppose if that's the way for everyone, and every game then it should allow more goals, but just doesn't seem right to have an offside rule and this be ok.
 
Scrote said:
That offside against Bayern at the end just sums up why VAR doesn't work. We'll never know if it would have been given offside had play been allowed to continue. Utter farce.
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I didn't see it, but going by the comments on here that actually sounds like the kind of incident when it SHOULD work, if the game had been allowed to flow and then reviewed if a goal was scored.
What would have happened differently without VAR?
 
Rofesleg said:
I didn't see it, but going by the comments on here that actually sounds like the kind of incident when it SHOULD work, if the game had been allowed to flow and then reviewed if a goal was scored.
What would have happened differently without VAR?
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The referee stopped play so VAR can’t get involved. He should have allowed it to continue, despite the flag, as is the process. Why he stopped it only he can explain but it looks borderline cheating.
 
For the Bayern one, why is a linesman allowed to put his flag up, within 10 seconds of an incident, and even if he does, why does the ref stop play. Seems like two major **** ups there.

Either let the game play on and sort it retrospectively (best option), or stop everything for every flag, and then attacking team gets penalised as they don't get the opportunity to make use of a legitimate chance.

VAR could be so good, but the implementation of it is absolutely terrible.

We're probably not too far away from having completely AI linesman though, and then AI refs probably follow on from that not much later.

The problem to me seems to be the interface between humans and tech and it's the humans which are making 99.9% of the errors.
 
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Nero said:
The referee stopped play so VAR can’t get involved. He should have allowed it to continue, despite the flag, as is the process. Why he stopped it only he can explain but it looks borderline cheating.
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That's what I thought from the discussion. So in this case it was the officials at fault and not VAR?
 
wilkos_perm said:
Poor refereeing to not let the hame play on, but i thought he did look just offside? Not easy to tell as they didn't show a good angle
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The defenders arm was outstretched towards the goal making the attackers surely onside ?

It was extraordinary that the linesman’s flag went up so quick when that isn’t the protocol and ref blew so quickly, they had an absolute shocker!
Bayern must be furious
 
I can only imagine that the linesman put his flag up too quickly, because he was caught up in the moment and was in a hurry to do things fast, as time was running out.

But whatever the reason, in doing so, he messed up.

That said there is no guarantee that Bayern would have scored regardless, because the Real players had stopped playing by that point.
 
red_harrington said:
I can only imagine that the linesman put his flag up too quickly, because he was caught up in the moment and was in a hurry to do things fast, as time was running out.

But whatever the reason, in doing so, he messed up.

That said there is no guarantee that Bayern would have scored regardless, because the Real players had stopped playing by that point.
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It's not the linesman that was the problem.

It's the referee blowing his whistle in response to the flag.

The same referee that kept playing on for an "offside" call in Real Madrid's winner.
He conveniently didn't blow there, so VAR could intervene and overturn the linesman's wrong call.
 
TeaCider said:
The same referee that kept playing on for an "offside" call in Real Madrid's winner.
He conveniently didn't blow there, so VAR could intervene and overturn the linesman's wrong call.
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That's not what happened. On Real Madrid's second goal, the AR didn't flag until after the ball had gone into the net - which is how it's supposed to work (but inexplicably didn't for the Bayern disallowed goal).
 
Scrote said:
The player who looked offside didn't go for the ball. Muller went towards it but the defender played it deliberately. At that point (as per the RM goal) the Bayern players were all onside.

Terrible decision-making given what had already occurred and looks very much like cheating to the neutral observer.

Had it gone to VAR and been ruled offside we'd still be questioning it - and Madrid fans would be screaming if it was given.

Without VAR the game goes into extra time. VAR ruins football.
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I'd have to watch it again, but wasn't it a Bayern player who headed back across? And that player was the one who was potentially offside.
 
wilkos_perm said:
I'd have to watch it again, but wasn't it a Bayern player who headed back across? And that player was the one who was potentially offside.
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The player who headed it back across is the one on this still that looks the less likely of the two, to have been offside. He looks like he was very possibly level with the second-last opponent.

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wilkos_perm said:
I'd have to watch it again, but wasn't it a Bayern player who headed back across? And that player was the one who was potentially offside.
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Liamo said:
The player who headed it back across is the one on this still that looks the less likely of the two, to have been offside. He looks like he was very possibly level with the second-last opponent.
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From left to right consecutive frames showing ball in > header > ball out. The RM player heads it.


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