re the foden situation - he needs to be played

[BoroMart]

Rubbish isn't he

Nobody said he was rubbish, but that he (a) shouldn't play 10, and (b) hasn't brought his City form to england. He played well from the wing for most of the game yesterday, and had his best game in an England shirt for over two years.

 

[Uwefuchs]

Just to add to this Southgate did a great job yesterday, the team selection was spot on and we adjusted tactically in the first half when it was needed. The slow tempo and build up wasn't working and when we went more direct and upped the tempo we looked excellent.

Foden was excellent, the lad is world class and that's obvious every time you watch him. Thats what made this debate so frustrating, the suggestion that people wanted Foden because its a stick to beat Gareth with is totally wrong, also this thing that players are better when they are sat on the bench is wrong in this case. Foden is one of our best players and the team is better with him in it, thats nothing to do with an anti Southgate agenda.

I get plenty of things wrong on here but a few of us said on here that we should be building the team around Kane, Foden and Bellingham, thats absolutely been the right call.

 

[Marvanelli]

building the team around Kane, Foden and Bellingham

I think Southgate is starting to realise this.

Jude & Foden are whacking in performances that are making Southgate's job so easy. He can't drop them, even if he wanted to.

And obviously Kane is Kane. If he went throughout the whole tournament without scoring I wouldn't care, because his off the ball work and his link up play when dropping deep (allowing the runners to penetrate) is so effective.

Plus Kane's passing is absolutely sublime.

 

[Uwefuchs]

Nobody said he was rubbish, but that he (a) shouldn't play 10, and (b) hasn't brought his City form to england. He played well from the wing for most of the game yesterday, and had his best game in an England shirt for over two years.

I was joking about him being rubbish but he's been criminally underrated on here recently as well. He might not have set the World alight in the build up but they were glorified friendlies. No one has performed great in the nations league and we've been crap as a team.

If we have Foden, Bellingham and Kane underperforming then the first place id be looking is at the manager. I won't write Southgate off based on a load of friendlies in the same way I won't write off world class players.

In tournament football the manager and those players are performing so there should be no complaints.

 

[Uwefuchs]

And obviously Kane is Kane. If he went throughout the whole tournament without scoring I wouldn't care, because his off the ball work and his link up play when dropping deep (allowing the runners to penetrate) is so effective.

Plus Kane's passing is absolutely sublime.

He was world class yesterday, he could be one of the best number 10s in the world on that form as well as being one of the best number 9s.

 

[BoroMart]

people wanted Foden because its a stick to beat Gareth with is totally wrong, also this thing that players are better when they are sat on the bench is wrong in this case. Foden is one of our best players and the team is better with him in it, thats nothing to do with an anti Southgate agenda.

it is with some people. Foden hadn't turned up for England for more than a year. Eventually he would because he is a class footballer, but so is Saka, and so is Rashford when on form. So none of them are guaranteed to start every game.

 

[Marvanelli]

Couldn’t give two shîts what he’s done previously.

If you had to whack your hat on anyone at LW for England, then it has to be Foden.

He’s by far our best left winger.

No one comes remotely close.

 

[BoroMart]

I was joking about him being rubbish but he's been criminally underrated on here recently as well.

I don't think anyone does under-rate him, I've seen nothing but positives about his ability. Only that it hasn't really worked in an england shirt for more than a year, and that's fact rather than opinion. I don't buy the 'glorified friendlies' thing either, playing teams like Spain, Germany, Croatia are never friendlies, too much pride at stake. Funny how the players in those other teams don't treat them as friendlies because they play to their best.

 

[Uwefuchs]

it is with some people. Foden hadn't turned up for England for more than a year. Eventually he would because he is a class footballer, but so is Saka, and so is Rashford when on form. So none of them are guaranteed to start every game.

Yeah but that's been the accusation aimed at posters on here when you don't know thats actually the case. Its alright to admit you've got something wrong, we all do it.

 

[Uwefuchs]

it is with some people. Foden hadn't turned up for England for more than a year. Eventually he would because he is a class footballer, but so is Saka, and so is Rashford when on form. So none of them are guaranteed to start every game.

Rashford couldn't lace Foden's boots he's levels below him.

 

[Jedi boro]

I started this post as I was amazed and fuming that one of greatest midfield talents we’ve had In decades didn’t get a single minute on the pitch v the USA.

The lad is a winner he’s fearless he showed that for eng u20 World Cup win and he’s took to city just as easily now he’s doing it for England.

Bellingham and foden are scary how good they could both be.

The future’s bright.

 

[WilliamMunny]

I started this post as I was amazed and fuming that one of greatest midfield talents we’ve had In decades didn’t get a single minute on the pitch v the USA.

The lad is a winner he’s fearless he showed that for eng u20 World Cup win and he’s took to city just as easily now he’s doing it for England.

Bellingham and foden are scary how good they could both be.

The future’s bright.

U17

 

[Jedi boro]

U17

Yes sorry

 

[atypical_boro]

I have always been wary of overrating Foden and putting too much pressure on his shoulders. I think Southgate did the right thing easing him into the side gradually (although he was criticised for doing so) but I think we also have two other young gems in Bellingham and Saka, add that to the experience of Kane/Henderson, and Foden isn't carrying the expectations of a whole nation on his shoulders, hence why I think he's thriving now.

Also, for me Rice isn't getting mentioned enough.

 

[Maccarone]

Rice is doing a very good job, goes unnoticed at times

 

[BoroMart]

Couldn’t give two shîts what he’s done previously.

Well it's kind of important.

Calling him anonymous in the first half is a bit of an over exaggeration.

OK maybe not anonymous, but he didn't create anything until late on.

The fact is Foden is one of our best players and one of the most talented attacking midfielders in the world.

Of course he is, and I'm glad he is finally starting to show moments for England that have been absent for a couple of years. If he can really start to impose himself more frequently, then he could be a game changer for England

The argument that fans only want players playing who are sat on the bench is ridiculous in this case

It is something that repeats amongst England supporters, so it's a justified view. There will continue to be complaints under the next manager, and the one after that, and the one after that.

 

[BoroMart]

Yeah but that's been the accusation aimed at posters on here when you don't know thats actually the case. Its alright to admit you've got something wrong, we all do it.

I didn't get anything wrong about this. I said I was fine with not starting Foden because we have 3 wide players playing well. I also said that Foden will come good. He was given the opportunity yesterday and took it, well done.

 

[Marvanelli]

Well it's kind of important.

No it isn't.

He's in incredible form for club and has been for a while now.

To judge him in an England shirt after a few meaningless friendlies (and yes, I will call the Nation's league as friendlies because most teams treat them as such with the amount of changes/tests they make) would be a tad silly.

Just because he's been poor (for his high standards) for England in previous games means absolutely sweet FA for me.

He is our best left winger and no one comes even close.

He's one of maybe 3 players we have (Kane/Jude included) who would arguably get in any other team with ease.

If we are to have any success in this (and future) tournaments, then Foden will be one of the main reasons.

He's levels above anyone in that squad for what he brings to the team.

 

[BoroMart]

No it isn't.

Of course it is, he mentally hasn't applied himself at international level, now maybe he's starting to. Doesn't matter how technically good you are, you have to apply it and he blatantly hasn't. That might sound harsh, but it's the simple reality of his England career so far and no one wants to see that level of talent wasted.

 

[Uwefuchs]

I didn't get anything wrong about this. I said I was fine with not starting Foden because we have 3 wide players playing well. I also said that Foden will come good. He was given the opportunity yesterday and took it, well done.

Have you ever been wrong about anything? Just out of interest