re the foden situation - he needs to be played

Uwefuchs said:
Have you ever been wrong about anything? Just out of interest 😂
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Of course, I thought Aliadiere would come good at CF and Connolly would get over his bad goalscoring form,....but I didn't say anything wrong on this topic. To break it down which of these is wrong?

1 - Rashford and Saka are both also talented and playing well
2 - Fodens form for England hasn't been great prior to last night
3 - Foden is extremely talented
4 - Foden will come sooner or later
5 - We need to have goalscorers on the pitch to win games, and Rashford does have a better goalscoring record for England than Foden

I don't see anything wrong there. I think we would have still won comfortably if we started with Rashford and brought Foden on to be honest, we just had too much for them
 
BoroMart said:
Of course, I thought Aliadiere would come good at CF and Connolly would get over his bad goalscoring form,....but I didn't say anything wrong on this topic. To break it down which of these is wrong?

1 - Rashford and Saka are both also talented and playing well
2 - Fodens form for England hasn't been great prior to last night
3 - Foden is extremely talented
4 - Foden will come sooner or later
5 - We need to have goalscorers on the pitch to win games, and Rashford does have a better goalscoring record for England than Foden

I don't see anything wrong there. I think we would have still won comfortably if we started with Rashford and brought Foden on to be honest, we just had too much for them
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2 is definitely wrong. He was brilliant against Wales.
4 is wrong. He has already come previously. He is our best chance of success in tournaments (along side Jude). And if it wasn't for his injury in training on the eve of the final against Italy, he would have started and probably made a big difference to the game.

Rashford has been excellent. But let not kid ourselves. He's nowhere near the class of Foden.

Foden is (and always will be) lightyears ahead of Rashford. He's younger and will only get better.

Rashford's goal scoring record may be better, but let's not forget, Rashford is actually more of a forward.
 
Marvanelli said:
2 is definitely wrong. He was brilliant against Wales.
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let me clarify, prior to the world cup, he was poor first half on the right too. So with that clarification it isn't wrong

Marvanelli said:
4 is wrong. He has already come previously.
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No it isn't most of his England career has been levels below his Man City career. Even his biggest fans on here have stated that he was rubbish during the nations league.

Marvanelli said:
Rashford has been excellent. But let not kid ourselves. He's nowhere near the class of Foden....Foden is (and always will be) lightyears ahead of Rashford. He's younger and will only get better.
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On a technical level possibly, but players are technical/tactical, physical, psychological and social. Physically Rashford is above hes quicker and stronger. Foden will undoubtedly have a better overall career because of that technical and tactical ability, but Rashford is just as dangerous at this moment in time.

Marvanelli said:
Rashford's goal scoring record may be better, but let's not forget, Rashford is actually more of a forward.
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They have played in teh same position in this world cup.
 
TeaCider said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1599769309147824128

Sounds like the words of a man who is aware he hadn't performed up to the same standards as he has at club level.

I don't think there's any issue in that either.

He's been exceptional for Man City, he'll hopefully start to be exceptional for England.
He's been very good in recent games.
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Yep.

His previous England form has never ever concerned me.

As the saying goes 'Form is temporary. Class is permanent'

It's KO football and KO football can be decided on pieces of magic...and Foden has that in abundance.

The first goal last night was started all because of a quick flick by Foden into Kane.
 
Marvanelli said:
Yep.

His previous England form has never ever concerned me.

As the saying goes 'Form is temporary. Class is permanent'

It's KO football and KO football can be decided on pieces of magic...and Foden has that in abundance.

The first goal last night was started all because of a quick flick by Foden into Kane.
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I think Saka is closer to Foden than Rashford.
 
TeaCider said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1599769309147824128

Sounds like the words of a man who is aware he hadn't performed up to the same standards as he has at club level.

I don't think there's any issue in that either.

He's been exceptional for Man City, he'll hopefully start to be exceptional for England.
He's been very good in recent games.
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Exactly, in his own words he justifies my stance on these two comments:

2 - Fodens form for England hasn't been great prior to last night
4 - Foden will come sooner or later

Thanks for clearing that up :D
 
BoroMart said:
Exactly, in his own words he justifies my stance on these two comments:

2 - Fodens form for England hasn't been great prior to last night
4 - Foden will come sooner or later

Thanks for clearing that up :D
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Can you both stop saying Foden will 'come' sooner or later. Its uncomfortable reading. You mean 'come good' surely? :)
 
BoroMart said:
let me clarify, prior to the world cup, he was poor first half on the right too. So with that clarification it isn't wrong
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He wasn't poor, or maybe he was by his standards. But there's a big clue there in why he wasn't as good as he should be....he was playing on the right.

He soon proved in a matter of minutes in the 2nd half on the left what he is capable of.

BoroMart said:
No it isn't most of his England career has been levels below his Man City career. Even his biggest fans on here have stated that he was rubbish during the nations league.
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Yes, majority of his england performances have been below pay (for his standards), but he was still part of the reason we made the final in the Euros. So he had previous before this world cup...

BoroMart said:
On a technical level possibly, but players are technical/tactical, physical, psychological and social. Physically Rashford is above hes quicker and stronger. Foden will undoubtedly have a better overall career because of that technical and tactical ability, but Rashford is just as dangerous at this moment in time.
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Rashford stronger? Don't buy that. The 3rd goal last night showed Foden's strength when riding the tackle before putting it on a plate for Saka.

Oh and Rashford has been excellent, but he's not as dangerous as Foden. He never will be neither.

BoroMart said:
They have played in teh same position in this world cup.
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And Foden has 3 goal involvements (not including the important flick creating the first goal yesterday) and Rashford has 3 goal involvements....Foden has played in 3 games. Rashford has played in 4 games.
 
atypical_boro said:
I think Saka is closer to Foden than Rashford.
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Yep I agree.

Said at the start of the tournament our 2 wide players should be Saka & Foden.

They're mile ahead of anyone else we have.

Rashford, Maddison, Sterling, Grealish are all brilliant replacements mind and it's brilliant to see us have so many exciting options to come off the bench and change the game.
 
Of the 2 wide positions any of the 5 (Saka, Rashford, Foden, Grealish & Sterling) could play either side but if we were to rank the 5 of them then Rashford would be the 5th best. I know he got goals against some rubbish teams but that doesn't make him better. He's not bad, just not as good as the others. On the left I would have him 3rd choice behind Foden & Grealish and on the right I'd have him 3rd behind Saka & Sterling.
 
atypical_boro said:
I have always been wary of overrating Foden and putting too much pressure on his shoulders. I think Southgate did the right thing easing him into the side gradually (although he was criticised for doing so) but I think we also have two other young gems in Bellingham and Saka, add that to the experience of Kane/Henderson, and Foden isn't carrying the expectations of a whole nation on his shoulders, hence why I think he's thriving now.

Also, for me Rice isn't getting mentioned enough.
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He didn’t ease him in though that’s the point he never played him that’s not easing him in, that’s leaving him out

But he’s in now so no complaints from
Me.
 
Nano said:
Of the 2 wide positions any of the 5 (Saka, Rashford, Foden, Grealish & Sterling) could play either side but if we were to rank the 5 of them then Rashford would be the 5th best. I know he got goals against some rubbish teams but that doesn't make him better. He's not bad, just not as good as the others. On the left I would have him 3rd choice behind Foden & Grealish and on the right I'd have him 3rd behind Saka & Sterling.
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I agree with this ranking too.

Although Sterling probably favours the left as well.
 
Marvanelli said:
He wasn't poor, or maybe he was by his standards. But there's a big clue there in why he wasn't as good as he should be....he was playing on the right.
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you mean where he plays nearly all his club football! But yes he played better on the left.

Marvanelli said:
Yes, majority of his england performances have been below pay (for his standards), but he was still part of the reason we made the final in the Euros. So he had previous before this world cup...
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He had one start, a poor performance against Scotland and a 25 min sub. Rashford and Saka both played more than him.

Marvanelli said:
Rashford stronger? Don't buy that.
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Of course he is

Marvanelli said:
Oh and Rashford has been excellent, but he's not as dangerous as Foden. He never will be neither.
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He's got a goal every 3 appearances for England, it's about 1 in 7 for Foden.
 
Nano said:
Of the 2 wide positions any of the 5 (Saka, Rashford, Foden, Grealish & Sterling) could play either side but if we were to rank the 5 of them then Rashford would be the 5th best.
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Depends what the situation requires. If you are protecting a lead then Grealish, but if you need a goalscorer Rashford. Sterling has been off form, Saka and Foden on the right absolutely before him in all circumstances.
 
BoroMart said:
you mean where he plays nearly all his club football! But yes he played better on the left.
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Foden? He plays on the left for City.

He's played on the right a small handful of times?

BoroMart said:
He had one start, a poor performance against Scotland and a 25 min sub. Rashford and Saka both played more than him.
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Going by reports, he was scheduled to start that final against Italy before picking up an ankle injury after training.

BoroMart said:
Of course he is
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We'll have to agree to disagree.

BoroMart said:
He's got a goal every 3 appearances for England, it's about 1 in 7 for Foden.
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Foden has 11 goal involvements in 21 appearances.
Rashford has 20 goal involvements in 50 appearances.
 
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