Re the death penalty

[Jedi boro]

I noticed a few posters talking about the death penalty on the couzens thread so as not to hijack that thread.
I’d just like to say this that for all those advocating he should get the death penalty remember both shipman and west both took the noose over life in jail.

I fully expect couzens to try the same.

 

[JonnyHistory]

State murder is still murder.
A life of prison is worse than a quick death that most their victims was not afforded, plus death penalties do not work as a detterent.
I can appreciate some crimes are so abhorrent that the first reaction can be get rid of them, would a quickbpainless death be a suitable punishment though? Or locking them up with no freedoms to think about what they've done until they die be more of a punishment though?

 

[Laughing]

I am against the death penalty for loss of reasons. Firstly as a country we are murdering folks because they committed a crime. Does that mean a father or husband can do this for revenge, as that is all the death penalty is. Secondly someone has to carry out the sentence I am not sure what that would do to a human being over a period of time. Thirdly you can't release someone on new evidence of you have hung them. Fourthly they are still sometimes father, still sometimes son, imagine what that does to a mother or a child.

Its barbaric.

 

[Berwickhillbilly]

I noticed a few posters talking about the death penalty on the couzens thread so as not to hijack that thread.
I’d just like to say this that for all those advocating he should get the death penalty remember both shipman and west both took the noose over life in jail.

I fully expect couzens to try the same.

I have some rope in my garage he can use.
No charge.

 

[Jedi boro]

I have some rope in my garage he can use.
No charge.

Th point im making is that the fact they chose go hang them selves as a way out shows it W as living that they feared most.

 

[Muttley]

I don't hold much truck with organised religions but "Thou shalt not kill" seems simple and straight forward enough and doesn't include any exceptions like " - unless they are really bad people then you can off them in the most painful and inhumane manner that your imagination can come up with" (unless any theologians know better?)

 

[Laughing]

I don't hold much truck with organised religions but "Thou shalt not kill" seems simple and straight forward enough and doesn't include any exceptions like " - unless they are really bad people then you can off them in the most painful and inhumane manner that your imagination can come up with" (unless any theologians know better?)

It's only a matter of time before someone quotes an eye for an eye. Which isn't a commandment but is in Matthew. jesus rubbishes this, unless theologians know better.

 

[Laughing]

Th point im making is that the fact they chose go hang them selves as a way out shows it W as living that they feared most.

I think you are probably right zorro. It is quite difficult to appreciate how soul destroying, knowing you are going to die in prison must be. It's in every sense, a very real punishment.

 

[Norfolkred1]

Being a Copper and a child killer will see him a major target and constantly looking over his shoulder. The Prison staff will be professional in the their roles and after a while he will be moved to a wing with his kind.

 

[Colin Warnek]

I noticed a few posters talking about the death penalty on the couzens thread so as not to hijack that thread.
I’d just like to say this that for all those advocating he should get the death penalty remember both shipman and west both took the noose over life in jail.

I fully expect couzens to try the same.

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There isn't the legal option. So not sure why this post makes sense in the current climate. Even if it was "chosen" - better off without in my opinion.

 

[JM14]

We need to be moving forward not back, countries that use the death penalty usually have huge levels of crime so it’s hardly a proven deterrent
Rehabilitation has to be the only focus of any prison system to work, you will always get cases where that just isn’t possible as we have seen today, but would the threat of the death penalty have prevented the murder? Highly unlikely

 

[Glover_elbow]

Sorry Jm in the case of murderers then rehabilitation shouldn't be an option. unless there's exceptional circumstances then murder should be a full life term

 

[Big_Nothing]

There are more people who've been released from prison after a murder sentence and not committed crimes again than have. Repeat offenders for murder if they ever even get out in the first place are incredibly unlikely to reoffend.

Blanket rules like this are no help in a comprehensive justice system, not that ours is by any means perfect.

Sorry Jm in the case of murderers then rehabilitation shouldn't be an option. unless there's exceptional circumstances then murder should be a full life term

 

[Laughing]

There are more people who've been released from prison after a murder sentence and not committed crimes again than have. Repeat offenders for murder if they ever even get out in the first place are incredibly unlikely to reoffend.

Blanket rules like this are no help in a comprehensive justice system, not that ours is by any means perfect.

Statistically that it's true big, but most murders are spur of the moment or are directed at those we know and dependent on circumstances. If those circumstances don't arise again the crime isn't repeated. For crimes against children or even adults where there is no motive outside the need to kill I suspect they would reoffend at quite a high rate if they were given the chance.

The point about rehabilitation is a good one but a section of society seek only vengeance and another section politicise it. There isn't really an appetite in this country to try and rehabilitate prisoners despite the fact that society would be greatly enhanced and crime would drop. Its not on some agenda.

 

[Ex pfc wintergreen]

There are cases so abhorrent that I sometimes wish there was the death penalty but in the main it’s right we abolished it. As an aside I wouldn’t use religion as my moral compass, god help those who do.

 

[Laughing]

The ten commandments, whilst morally, a bit scatter gun, are difficult to argue with, though you might want to add a rule or 2 about rape, pillaging and diving when you anticipate a touch.

 

[Jedi boro]

The ten commandments, whilst morally, a bit scatter gun, are difficult to argue with, though you might want to add a rule or 2 about rape, pillaging and diving when you anticipate a touch.

I know I’ve lost count of the times my neighbour has tried to covet my ox

 

[Laughing]

I know I’ve lost count of the times my neighbour has tried to covet my ox

Isn't it your wife he shouldn't covet. It's a basic principle ox, wife, ride on mower.

 

[Scrote]

I don't hold much truck with organised religions but "Thou shalt not kill" seems simple and straight forward enough and doesn't include any exceptions like " - unless they are really bad people then you can off them in the most painful and inhumane manner that your imagination can come up with" (unless any theologians know better?)

I'm pretty sure most theologians will be happy to explain that "Thou shalt not kill" actually translates better as "Thou shalt not murder".

Which is why God can spend most of the Old Testament instructing the Isrealites to massacre all before them. It's not murder if God tells you to do it...

 

[Laughing]

I'm pretty sure most theologians will be happy to explain that "Thou shalt not kill" actually translates better as "Thou shalt not murder".

Which is why God can spend most of the Old Testament instructing the Isrealites to massacre all before them. It's not murder if God tells you to do it...

I have some bad news, I don't think he actually did that, I am not sure he created the heavens and earth either. Apparently there was light before stars too, how the hell did God manage that!